Nah, Herb really FUCKED UP and stooged for Dana and the UFC in that Kimbo fight instead of doing his job and honestly, I don't necessary blame him, but he fucking pulled a boner callling that bout. Probably, he feared the reprocussions of stopping that particular fight TOO early and is another reason why they NEED to bring back BIG JOHN!
With all that being said, I've always heard from a lot of FIGHTERS that he doesn't have the presence of mind alot in regards to the mindset and train of thought of fighters.
I don't agree that he fucked up.
Though I am sure that the reprocussions of calling it too early WERE part of his pro/con list of calling it, but clearly the pros outweighed the cons in the second round.
first, there was no reason to stop it in the first. roy was just tapping the top of his head. bj was taking some big blows to the face from matt when theirs was stopped and still took quite a few before it did. i really dont think the time left should have played a part though. i mean it doesnt say if a figher isnt able to defend himself and time allows?
what i noticed about the fight brought another thought to me though.kimbo just laid there like a dead fish! i know roy was dominating him on the ground but in the gym we saw kimbo slipping to the side,trying to control the head and using his speed to try and avoid the ground game but we didnt see any of that in this fight. im not big on conspiracy theories but i do have one that i think fits this fight pretty well.
first dana would not take a chance of kimbo getting kicked off the show so quickly because of the extremely high ratings tuf was getting unless he had a bigger plan. kimbo fighting the only well established hw on the show his first fight? kimbo =big draws but dana cant just be proved completely wrong so how about this?
dana sets it up with kimbo to do as he did on the ground to prove danas opinion true at first but will somehow be kept on the show and get a contract either way.we are supposed to just believe ,since kimbo absords info like a sponge right, that his ground game vastly improves in just a couple of weeks.
i know roy would have destroyed him on the ground but kimbo just laid there! i cant see that happening unless it was preplanned. wild exageration? i dont know but it looked like bs to me.
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first, there was no reason to stop it in the first. roy was just tapping the top of his head. bj was taking some big blows to the face from matt when theirs was stopped and still took quite a few before it did. i really dont think the time left should have played a part though. i mean it doesnt say if a figher isnt able to defend himself and time allows? what i noticed about the fight brought another thought to me though.kimbo just laid there like a dead fish! i know roy was dominating him on the ground but in the gym we saw kimbo slipping to the side,trying to control the head and using his speed to try and avoid the ground game but we didnt see any of that in this fight. im not big on conspiracy theories but i do have one that i think fits this fight pretty well.
first dana would not take a chance of kimbo getting kicked off the show so quickly because of the extremely high ratings tuf was getting unless he had a bigger plan. kimbo fighting the only well established hw on the show his first fight? kimbo =big draws but dana cant just be proved completely wrong so how about this?
dana sets it up with kimbo to do as he did on the ground to prove danas opinion true at first but will somehow be kept on the show and get a contract either way.we are supposed to just believe ,since kimbo absords info like a sponge right, that his ground game vastly improves in just a couple of weeks.
i know roy would have destroyed him on the ground but kimbo just laid there! i cant see that happening unless it was preplanned. wild exageration? i dont know but it looked like bs to me.
It's not that hard to look good training compared to an actual fight. I am sure the people training with him aren't using all they have to hold him down. Also I doubt anyone on his team including Rampage is as good on the ground as Nelson is anyway. How do you train for a guy like Nelson when you don't have anyone as good or better than he is. I disagree with your theory about Dana and Kimbo. Also just because you are a sponge for learning does not mean you will be able to put those theories to practice. I was real good at learning calculus but dammed if I can actually use it.
I think that Kimbo is going to get a contract regardless but unless they put him against someone who has no ground game and no real good formal boxing (whatever kind of striking) training he will lose everytime.
Best line ever!
GSP to Jackson-I pulled my groin
Jackson to GSP-Forget about your groin, Hit him with your groin!
funniest line i've heard so far!
chico76-"Bisping gonna get beat so bad he'll look like he's been ass raped by an eight dicked walrus"
44 unanswered shots to the forehead and Kimbo not intelligently defending himself for over 30 seconds.
I am eager to see the damage that Big Country did to Kimbo. He said he gave him a big hematoma on the forehead.
Rules or not, it is up to the ref in the end....how it reads on paper sounds worse than it way, Kimbo was not in danger of getting concussed, he didn't appear cut....so I can see what Herb is trying to say. If the shots were around Kimbo's eyes, nose or mouth it may have been different. But a fighter not being able to get out of the crucifix or appeared to make no attempt to get out of the crucifix (especially after Kimbo appears to struggle for about 10 seconds, then his arms stop moving and he just lays there on his back doing nothing) that is when the fight should have been stopped.
Kimbo stopped fighting back and stopped trying with about 10 seconds to go in the first round. He should have moved his hips, turn side to side, something, anything.
Herb should thank his lucky stars that Kimbo didn't turn the fight around in the second round, imagine the uproar.
I agree with Herb and Harlems ststement. You need to be afflicting damage and don't feel Kimbo was in danger. Should of Kimbo tried more to get out of it YES. I also understand Roy's point as taking the least amount of damage to win under TUF's time table, but it sucks watching though a smart move health wise. Remends me of how Rashad started out do just anough to win.
I agree with Ref. Dean that the ref is aware of the time left in the fight and to stop the fight if the fighter is in danger. Thirty seconds was when Kimbo got taken down. Kimbo just could not buck Nelson. I think it was a fair stoppage in the second round.
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How can you not get what he's saying? The punches were solid but not strong enough to stop the fight in the first round if Kimbo could survive a few seconds until the end of the fight. In the second round, Kimbo was put in the same postition way too early in the fight and it had to be stopped because Kimbo couldn't transition. But by no means, were those punches anymore than a minor annoyance.
If someone is taking repeated unanswered punches standing because the he can't seem to land a punch, but the punches are not effecting the fighter in the slightest, the fight will not be stopped. The same rules should apply to the ground for the most part.
I got it. The punches in the first and second round were not that severe, however, since he took the ones in the first round, and when he started taking them in the second round, there was really no way Kimbo was going to be able to get up, thus, there was no reason for him to sit there and take those shots, even if they weren't life threatening.
I feel like Herb did a superb job reffing that fight, some argue that it could've been called in the first but nelson was not doing any substantial damage and time was not on his side, it was an excellent decision to not call it yet, then in the 2nd round Herb gave Kimbo evey chance he could to get out but he was barely getting hit, and kimbo was lying dormant so Herb had no choice but to stop the fight.
Its about enertainment and the fans getting thier money's worth, and herb did an excellent job officiating that day, its not like kimbo was getting destroyed and Herb waited too long to save him now kimbo is scarred for life or some shit.
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