Nazi crap

[The Deftone]

Its amazing how the idea of a nazi has been so distorted over the years. Mostly in america, the original nazi ideas are still more assosiated with the third riech with the people of europe.

Nazis actualy were never against black people as a race which most people simply dont know because of the way nazi have been protraid in recent years... But i can understand of course how a nazi image would offend some people, however we have to remember people have a right to put up a pic if they like and use there own descrestion as to what they feel is offensive, we also have to be carefull not become oversensitive to race because in doing that we become the ones contributing to the original problem.

On a lighter note AMX is a great movie and il have to check out romper stomper...

[Ubermensch]

Originally Posted by The Deftone

Its amazing how the idea of a nazi has been so distorted over the years. Mostly in america, the original nazi ideas are still more assosiated with the third riech with the people of europe.

Nazis actualy were never against black people as a race which most people simply dont know because of the way nazi have been protraid in recent years... But i can understand of course how a nazi image would offend some people, however we have to remember people have a right to put up a pic if they like and use there own descrestion as to what they feel is offensive, we also have to be carefull not become oversensitive to race because in doing that we become the ones contributing to the original problem.

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Not true here is some cut and paste ala KrazyKarl style:

The Other Victims: First Person Stories of Non-Jews Persecuted by the Nazis
Ina R. Friedman
c. 1990, Houghton Mifflin (Boston)
ISBN 0-395-50212-8
Though black entertainers were popular in Germany before Hitler came to power, they were boycotted when the Nazis took over. A book entitled Degenerate Music: An Accounting was published in 1938. The cover shows a black musician with a Jewish star on his lapel. Hitler's hatred of blacks extended to black athletes. When Jesse Owens, the American track star, won three gold medals at the 1936 Olympics in Berlin, Hitler refused to be present when the medals were awarded.

Though there were relatively few blacks in Germany, Hitler discriminated between black and white prisoners of war. Black soldiers captured during World War II were separated from their units and shot.

Nazi Germany's "problem" with Africans stemmed from the use by the French army during World War I of African soldiers from its colonies. These soldiers stayed in Europe, some occupied Germany and took up residence there, and some fathered mixed-race children with German women. Hitler stated in 1932, before his election, that if he took power, black residents of Germany would either be deported or put in concentration camps.

Once the Nazi regime took power, sterilization was often performed on these children in the name of the preservation of "racial purity." When the Rhineland was remilitarized by the Nazis (its first violation of the Treaty of Versailles), the black population residing there was attacked directly and forcibly sterilized.

As for African-American prisoners of war, they were segregated in POW camps and offered less in terms of provisions, food, etc. Of course, they were already segregated in the American armed forces, but their treatment worsened once taken prisoners. Ironically, black units of the U.S. Armed Forces liberated several concentration camps in Germany.

The final issue is North Africans during the war. The Nazis sought to eliminate the Sephardic Jews living in North African colonies of France, but there is little evidence that deportation of these Jews ever took place. In fact, the wartime Sultan of Morocco, Muhammad V, took measures specifically to protect his Jewish population, which was among the largest in North Africa. Most Sephardic victims of the Holocaust hailed from Southern Europe (Italy and Greece, for instance).

For more information, you will want to find the film Hitler's Forgotten Victims, directed by David Okuefuna and Moise Shewa. It aired originally on Channel Four in England, so you may want to contact them to obtain a copy.

Andrew E. Mathis, Ph.D.

[The Deftone]

Originally Posted by Ubermensch

Not true here is some cut and paste ala KrazyKarl style:

The Other Victims: First Person Stories of Non-Jews Persecuted by the Nazis
Ina R. Friedman
c. 1990, Houghton Mifflin (Boston)
ISBN 0-395-50212-8
Though black entertainers were popular in Germany before Hitler came to power, they were boycotted when the Nazis took over. A book entitled Degenerate Music: An Accounting was published in 1938. The cover shows a black musician with a Jewish star on his lapel. Hitler's hatred of blacks extended to black athletes. When Jesse Owens, the American track star, won three gold medals at the 1936 Olympics in Berlin, Hitler refused to be present when the medals were awarded.

Though there were relatively few blacks in Germany, Hitler discriminated between black and white prisoners of war. Black soldiers captured during World War II were separated from their units and shot.

Nazi Germany's "problem" with Africans stemmed from the use by the French army during World War I of African soldiers from its colonies. These soldiers stayed in Europe, some occupied Germany and took up residence there, and some fathered mixed-race children with German women. Hitler stated in 1932, before his election, that if he took power, black residents of Germany would either be deported or put in concentration camps.

Once the Nazi regime took power, sterilization was often performed on these children in the name of the preservation of "racial purity." When the Rhineland was remilitarized by the Nazis (its first violation of the Treaty of Versailles), the black population residing there was attacked directly and forcibly sterilized.

As for African-American prisoners of war, they were segregated in POW camps and offered less in terms of provisions, food, etc. Of course, they were already segregated in the American armed forces, but their treatment worsened once taken prisoners. Ironically, black units of the U.S. Armed Forces liberated several concentration camps in Germany.

The final issue is North Africans during the war. The Nazis sought to eliminate the Sephardic Jews living in North African colonies of France, but there is little evidence that deportation of these Jews ever took place. In fact, the wartime Sultan of Morocco, Muhammad V, took measures specifically to protect his Jewish population, which was among the largest in North Africa. Most Sephardic victims of the Holocaust hailed from Southern Europe (Italy and Greece, for instance).

For more information, you will want to find the film Hitler's Forgotten Victims, directed by David Okuefuna and Moise Shewa. It aired originally on Channel Four in England, so you may want to contact them to obtain a copy.

Andrew E. Mathis, Ph.D.

Ok there is so much material there to debate, I dont really want to get into a huge debate about this. First of all you have to remember alot of the history you read can be biast, the winners write the history so to speak.

1. "The Forgotten Holocaust"(original title L'holocauste oublie, by Christian Bernadac) dealt with the extermination of a large number of Gypsies(no blacks were mentioned)

2. The Black population in Germany counted about 200,000 in 1939, many of them being from the former German African colonies;

3. They mostly did not immigrate, because they did not need to, since they were well treated

There was no systematic persecution against Blacks in Germany. Those who held citizenship could vote, and were drafted in the Wehrmacht.

Hans Massaquoi, a Black who had lived during the Third Reich in Germany, claimed to have lived more or less "normal", but to have been harrassed due to his colour by various people(HJ officials etc)

Jesse Owens had claimed to have been better treated in Germany than in his home USA

Hans Joachim Marsaille's "batman" Mathias, was black. He was a POW from a South African reg. but basically lived with the men of JG27. He struck up a great friendship with Marsailles in Africa and was considered "one of the lads" by all in the Geshwader. He was devastated when his friend was killed in the famous flying accident. When JG27 was recalled to the Reich, Mathias opted to go with his friends, back to Germany. I think he stayed there after the war.

Also I've read an interview with a Moroccan man who lived in Germany before and during the war. I don't remember him mentioning anything about predudice towards him.

But stories about black men and women in the Reich are hard to come by

Here are some pitures of black people even in the german army.