Should the Packers allow Favre to return?

[bigsmooth696969]

Originally Posted by thecoylewis

You want to talk about a QB who's done nothing in years or a QB who chokes in the playoffs, and then bring up McNabb and Romo. Romo has single handedly ended the last 2 playoff games for the Cowboys and how long has it been since McNabb finished the year finishing all 16 games.

Brett Favre is far and away the best QB in the NFC. He's a first ballot hall of famer who if it weren't for Brady and the cheating Patriots would have been MVP of the league last year.

You seem to forget that while Favre's numbers haven't been so hot over the past few years until last year, the talent around him has also been non-existent. Favre carried that team last year. Favre should play as long as he wants to.

This is not coming from a Packers fan. I could care less about the Packers but you cannot deny what Favre has done.

Favre was a good player. There is NO way he is still the best in the NFC! Romo has had more yards, TD's, less INT's, higher completion %, and more wins than Favre has had in the past 2 seasons. Favre has almost as many INT's in 3 seasons as McNabb has had in his career.(79-76) What has McNabb ever had??? He had TO 1 year and they went to the Super Bowl. Favre has always had good D's, Sterling Sharpe, Dorsey Levens, Antonio Freeman, Chamura, Brooks, Ahman Green, Donald Driver, Bubba Franks, and more ProBowlers on offense, so don't tell me Favre hasn't had anyone on his team. McNabb has had TO & Westbrook.

Favre is a good QB, don't get me wrong, but he may not even be the best of his era. Manning could eclipse his records and Brady already has more rings and he is tied with Peyton. His time is over. Retire and go farm in Mississippi. Stay out of the limelight because your time has passed!

[hunterkiller]

Originally Posted by bigsmooth696969

Favre was a good player. There is NO way he is still the best in the NFC! Romo has had more yards, TD's, less INT's, higher completion %, and more wins than Favre has had in the past 2 seasons. Favre has almost as many INT's in 3 seasons as McNabb has had in his career.(79-76) What has McNabb ever had??? He had TO 1 year and they went to the Super Bowl. Favre has always had good D's, Sterling Sharpe, Dorsey Levens, Antonio Freeman, Chamura, Brooks, Ahman Green, Donald Driver, Bubba Franks, and more ProBowlers on offense, so don't tell me Favre hasn't had anyone on his team. McNabb has had TO & Westbrook.

Favre is a good QB, don't get me wrong, but he may not even be the best of his era. Manning could eclipse his records and Brady already has more rings and he is tied with Peyton. His time is over. Retire and go farm in Mississippi. Stay out of the limelight because your time has passed!

All of those people you named are during Favre's glory years. I am only referring to the NOW! Donald Driver's a good player but would be a #2 or #3 receiver on many other talent teams in the NFL.

You should also note that stats don't mean crap in the NFL. Romo may have this or that stat but he doesn't have playoff wins.

Also, I wouldn't compare Brady and Manning to Favre in terms of era. Favre's heydey was over before they even entered the league. Rule changes that allow no contact to the receivers after 5 yards allow them greater benefits.

It's also easier for Brady when we now know the Patriots knew what the defense was going to do before they snapped the ball.

[bigsmooth696969]

Originally Posted by thecoylewis

All of those people you named are during Favre's glory years. I am only referring to the NOW! Donald Driver's a good player but would be a #2 or #3 receiver on many other talent teams in the NFL.

You should also note that stats don't mean crap in the NFL. Romo may have this or that stat but he doesn't have playoff wins.

Also, I wouldn't compare Brady and Manning to Favre in terms of era. Favre's heydey was over before they even entered the league. Rule changes that allow no contact to the receivers after 5 yards allow them greater benefits.

It's also easier for Brady when we now know the Patriots knew what the defense was going to do before they snapped the ball.

Hold on, I'll name every team that Driver would be a #1 WR on:

Ravens, Jaguars, Titans, Bills, Dolphins, Chiefs, Raiders, Chargers, Bears, Vikings, Falcons, Buccaneers, Eagles, 49ers, and Seahawks.

Out of these teams, 8 of them have been in the playoffs within the last 2 years....I think that would make them talented teams. Then to mention you said #2 or #3 WR so obviously you don't know football. Driver would be a #2 WR on every team except Arizona, Cincinnati, New England, Indianapolis, and Dallas. He would be a #3 on any NFL squad. When you say something, back it up with stats or facts.

Peyton Manning entered the league in 1998, so I guess according to you, Favre has been washed up since 1998. So then he only has had 6 hey dey years??? Favre is tied for the career record for playoff INT's....WOW, thats clutch in my book!

Then you can go into the fact that during his hey dey years, he was addicted to pain pills. Hmmmmm, sounds like he absued pills and should have an * next to his stats.

[hunterkiller]

Originally Posted by bigsmooth696969

Hold on, I'll name every team that Driver would be a #1 WR on:

Ravens, Jaguars, Titans, Bills, Dolphins, Chiefs, Raiders, Chargers, Bears, Vikings, Falcons, Buccaneers, Eagles, 49ers, and Seahawks.

Out of these teams, 8 of them have been in the playoffs within the last 2 years....I think that would make them talented teams. Then to mention you said #2 or #3 WR so obviously you don't know football. Driver would be a #2 WR on every team except Arizona, Cincinnati, New England, Indianapolis, and Dallas. He would be a #3 on any NFL squad. When you say something, back it up with stats or facts.

Peyton Manning entered the league in 1998, so I guess according to you, Favre has been washed up since 1998. So then he only has had 6 hey dey years??? Favre is tied for the career record for playoff INT's....WOW, thats clutch in my book!

Then you can go into the fact that during his hey dey years, he was addicted to pain pills. Hmmmmm, sounds like he absued pills and should have an * next to his stats.

Since when does abusing pain pills enhance performance. Do you know how many players in the NFL abuse pain pills just to make it through practice. Not to mention how many shots they use to kill the pain.

Peyton Manning did come into the league in 1998 but the Colts weren't relevant until 2-3 years later. And I didn't call Favre washed up, you did.

It's true Favre does have the record for INTs. He also holds the record for every other important offensive stat in football.

I also wasn't dumping on Donald Driver. Those teams you named that he would be a #1 receiver have horrid offenses, including my favorite team The Raiders. Yes, he could be a number 2 on alot of teams in the NFL. My point is Donald Driver is no Chad Johnson, TO or any other elite caliber receiver in the NFL. He's not the sold reason Brett Favre had a comeback last season.

I just have a hard time understanding your logic for shitting on one of the most beloved figures in sports history. He's earned the right to play for Green Bay. How long had it been in Green Bay before Favre came along that they sucked before he turned them around. His legacy is enough to get him one more year, let alone what he did last year. They were 14-2 and lost to the Super Bowl champs in the NFC championship game. They should be begging him to comeback this year.

[bigsmooth696969]

Originally Posted by thecoylewis

Since when does abusing pain pills enhance performance. Do you know how many players in the NFL abuse pain pills just to make it through practice. Not to mention how many shots they use to kill the pain.

Peyton Manning did come into the league in 1998 but the Colts weren't relevant until 2-3 years later. And I didn't call Favre washed up, you did.

It's true Favre does have the record for INTs. He also holds the record for every other important offensive stat in football.

I also wasn't dumping on Donald Driver. Those teams you named that he would be a #1 receiver have horrid offenses, including my favorite team The Raiders. Yes, he could be a number 2 on alot of teams in the NFL. My point is Donald Driver is no Chad Johnson, TO or any other elite caliber receiver in the NFL. He's not the sold reason Brett Favre had a comeback last season.

I just have a hard time understanding your logic for shitting on one of the most beloved figures in sports history. He's earned the right to play for Green Bay. How long had it been in Green Bay before Favre came along that they sucked before he turned them around. His legacy is enough to get him one more year, let alone what he did last year. They were 14-2 and lost to the Super Bowl champs in the NFC championship game. They should be begging him to comeback this year.

Ok, they did ask him to come back....in March and April, going as far as to fly down to talk him back into it. He said he was ready, then called back 2 days later and said he was going to stay retired. Now all of the sudden, he wants back and he is trying to make the Pack look bad. He quit and had the chance to come back and didn't take it! Thats why I say fuck him! Favre is all about himself here. He doesn't care that the Pack moved on with a new QB, drafted 2 more in the draft, and left him as a memory. He is selfish. He took his ball and went home, now friggin deal with it!
He is just like Barry Sanders. He quit and thought he could get out of his contract and come back with another team, and just like Barry, I hope it back fires in his face! The Pack should let him back, as a backup to Rodgers and sit his ass on the bench!

The Raiders are also my favorite team and yes, they suck but I'd even take Russell over Favre at this point. Favre has lost so much respect in my eyes, and believe me, he didn't have much to begin with. He has all these passing records because the Pack wasn't the greatest of teams and played from behind on alot of occasions. His decision making is average at best, more leaning towards poor. How many times has Favre thrown into triple coverage in the last 5 years??? I'd say atleast 3 times a game. How many games have the Pack lost because of Favre's poor decision making? Hmmmm, I can name 2 NFC Championship games and since that is the closest to a SB they have gotten in 10 years, I think that is huge! Come on! He is 39 and needs to retire. Why tarnish your image now because he is doing it. I will laugh my ass off if GB goes 12-4 with Rodgers because it will show how much GB doesn't need Favre. Hell, even 8-8 is good because other than last year, Favre didn't do that in the past 3 seasons.

I don't want you to think I am jumping your shit on this matter, I just can't stand all this Favre is God BS talk. In my heart of hearts, he isn't that great of a QB and hasn't been crap other than last year, for the past 5 seasons.

[hunterkiller]

Originally Posted by bigsmooth696969

Ok, they did ask him to come back....in March and April, going as far as to fly down to talk him back into it. He said he was ready, then called back 2 days later and said he was going to stay retired. Now all of the sudden, he wants back and he is trying to make the Pack look bad. He quit and had the chance to come back and didn't take it! Thats why I say fuck him! Favre is all about himself here. He doesn't care that the Pack moved on with a new QB, drafted 2 more in the draft, and left him as a memory. He is selfish. He took his ball and went home, now friggin deal with it!
He is just like Barry Sanders. He quit and thought he could get out of his contract and come back with another team, and just like Barry, I hope it back fires in his face! The Pack should let him back, as a backup to Rodgers and sit his ass on the bench!

The Raiders are also my favorite team and yes, they suck but I'd even take Russell over Favre at this point. Favre has lost so much respect in my eyes, and believe me, he didn't have much to begin with. He has all these passing records because the Pack wasn't the greatest of teams and played from behind on alot of occasions. His decision making is average at best, more leaning towards poor. How many times has Favre thrown into triple coverage in the last 5 years??? I'd say atleast 3 times a game. How many games have the Pack lost because of Favre's poor decision making? Hmmmm, I can name 2 NFC Championship games and since that is the closest to a SB they have gotten in 10 years, I think that is huge! Come on! He is 39 and needs to retire. Why tarnish your image now because he is doing it. I will laugh my ass off if GB goes 12-4 with Rodgers because it will show how much GB doesn't need Favre. Hell, even 8-8 is good because other than last year, Favre didn't do that in the past 3 seasons.

I don't want you to think I am jumping your shit on this matter, I just can't stand all this Favre is God BS talk. In my heart of hearts, he isn't that great of a QB and hasn't been crap other than last year, for the past 5 seasons.

I'm aware of Favre's desire to comeback and then changing his mind. The thing you have to remember is he was being pressured by the organization to hurry up and make a decision which they have a right to do.

I just think Brett Favre is still one of the best if not the best QB in the NFC and you don't just cut him loose or bench him for a guy who hasn't proven anything yet. Do you have any idea the backlash that Packers fans will give if they cut, trade or bench Favre in favor of Brohm or Rodgers and then they start losing.

Personally, I think they should cut him loose and let him go elsewhere. They can't trade him because of his huge cap number and they can't bench him because it will be a huge distraction this coming season. Who cares if he ends up in Chicago or Minnesota, they suck anyway.

You may say Favre has sucked the last five years except for last year but the fact remains that the Packers have had only one losing season since Favre has been their QB and that was 2 years ago when Ahman Green was hurt all year and they lost their entire offensive line. I could care less about stats, the guy wins football games.

[Paytheplayer]

Should they allow him to return? Yes. As starting QB for the Packers? I don't think so. I know he won't accept a backup role, but Im just saying. It's time to turn the page with this team. Rodgers is supposed to be the future of this franchise. It wasn't fair for Favre to give his retirement speech, let the team move on, and then change his mind.

I also agree that Brett is still capable of leading a team to great things, but there's only so much uncertainty a team can take. Im not a Packers fan, and I realize how hard it might be to let him go, but you let him return for what? One more year so he can finally be sure its time to go? Then you let Rodgers rot on the bench and make zero progress once again?

[bigsmooth696969]

Originally Posted by Paytheplayer

Should they allow him to return? Yes. As starting QB for the Packers? I don't think so. I know he won't accept a backup role, but Im just saying. It's time to turn the page with this team. Rodgers is supposed to be the future of this franchise. It wasn't fair for Favre to give his retirement speech, let the team move on, and then change his mind.

I also agree that Brett is still capable of leading a team to great things, but there's only so much uncertainty a team can take. Im not a Packers fan, and I realize how hard it might be to let him go, but you let him return for what? One more year so he can finally be sure its time to go? Then you let Rodgers rot on the bench and make zero progress once again?

You let Favre back, trade Rodgers. It's only fair!

[hunterkiller]

I think they should let Favre back with a commitment for 2 more years, no more of this offseason contemplation bullshit and trade Rogers.

IMO, Brohm will be a better QB than Rogers anyway.

[Bubbles]

They should drop him and let him sign with another team