Whites, Blacks, view Bonds HR chase differently

[Palma]

Originally Posted by mattc25

....okay Palma your right he did not technically cheat,I just wish Bonds would come clean and say yeah I knowingly took performance enhancing drugs,and I would be fine with it,because they were not banned at the time. I think he may as time passes once he retires. I really respected Bonds a lot when he was with the Pirates,but in my opinion he could have broke the record without the drugs. I am life long braves fan and it really disapoints me the way this whole thing went down,ya know Barry said about 3 or 4 years ago that he was gonna retire and had no interest in breaking the record.

I think A-Rod will face some of the same questions if and when he breaks Bonds record,apparently Canseco is coming out with new book claiming he has evidence against him,he is such a dumbfuck.

Well, it comes down to "did he know" or not. According to other trainers' tesimony, Bonds didn't know until the Balco raid that he was even taking the Clear. Bonds' trainer got paid based off his progress and results and he told Bonds that he was giving him a supplement after each workout but he didn't tell him what it was. I personally think Bonds knew that it was some sort of performance drug and that he didn't want to know what it was, which doesn't excuse him for doing it.

I agree that it would be admirable to come clean, but the punishment at this point would be too much to bare for him. He would certainly face prison for lying to Congress, and that is why the whole situation is so fucked up and that is why I think that race is a factor to some extent.

The government and the media have turned the steriods use into a "which hunt" and Barry is the perfect target for them. Of course they don't go after McGwire, who obviouslly used something as well and testified to Congress that he didn't; and they don't go after Palmero who testified that he didn't as well and then tested positive of anabolic steriods just a few months later. They go after the one who is still breaking records and has been unfavorable since day one.

It really doesn't seem right to me.

[mattc25]

Originally Posted by Palma Wrestler

Well, it comes down to "did he know" or not. According to other trainers' tesimony, Bonds didn't know until the Balco raid that he was even taking the Clear. Bonds' trainer got paid based off his progress and results and he told Bonds that he was giving him a supplement after each workout but he didn't tell him what it was. I personally think Bonds knew that it was some sort of performance drug and that he didn't want to know what it was, which doesn't excuse him for doing it.

I agree that it would be admirable to come clean, but the punishment at this point would be too much to bare for him. He would certainly face prison for lying to Congress, and that is why the whole situation is so fucked up and that is why I think that race is a factor to some extent.



It really doesn't seem right to me.

....yeah I agree it is a witch hunt at this point,it`s sad really. Bud Selig said to Skip Bayless that he knew dirty shit was going on when McGwire broke Roger Maris single season record,but he was going against the most powerful labor union in sports and there was nothing he could do about it. Pretty lame cop out,but it`s true. The diference is Bonds will make the hall fame because he was clean throughout most of his career and the sports writer`s know that.......but McGwire prob juiced about 60 to 70% of his career. Palmero has no shot to make the hall along with Sosa. All three of them looked like fools that day. If Barry didn`t break the record he most likley would not be facing this pressure,Selig really should have put a stop to this back in 98 TBH,he is the one really to blame imo.

[Afro]

Originally Posted by Metalhead

The race card is stupid. NOBODY seems to remember, if Macguire didn't break Maris' record, SAMMY SOSA did and he's not white. Sosa got as much attention as Macquire. Race has dickall to do with anything in sports. Get out of here with that shit. Anything negative happens to a black man BANG racism.

Walk into the real world much?

[Severn]

Originally Posted by mattc25

....yeah I agree it is a witch hunt at this point,it`s sad really. Bud Selig said to Skip Bayless that he knew dirty shit was going on when McGwire broke Roger Maris single season record,but he was going against the most powerful labor union in sports and there was nothing he could do about it. Pretty lame cop out,but it`s true. The diference is Bonds will make the hall fame because he was clean throughout most of his career and the sports writer`s know that.......but McGwire prob juiced about 60 to 70% of his career. Palmero has no shot to make the hall along with Sosa. All three of them looked like fools that day. If Barry didn`t break the record he most likley would not be facing this pressure,Selig really should have put a stop to this back in 98 TBH,he is the one really to blame imo.

Also the context of the McGuire/Sosa run was that baseball hadn't recovered from the strike and their HR chase was what brought the fans back. There was a lot of incentive for MLB and the writers to turn the other eye when this was happening.

[sandywh]

I'm sure that there are several guys here that played competative sports on at least a college level, hopefully you can back me up on what I'm about to say.

When I was playing football in college (D1 SEC School) we had several unmarked bottles of "suppliments" on the training table at the back of the locker room. Whenever we asked what they were, we were told that they were suppliments. If we asked what kind, we were told again, "They are Suppliments!" We all got the point. I'm sure the same thing went for Bonds.

All these pundits that say that Barry had to know what he was taking are fools. I'd be willing to bet my house that Barry purposely did not know. Its deniability. The less you know to be true, the safer you are. Did Bonds know he was juicing? I'm sure he had figured it out. Can anyone prove that he knew what he was specifically taking? Very, very unlikely.

[mattc25]

...yeah he may not have what he was taking ,but he damn sure knew they performance enhancing drugs. It`s a bit differn`t comparing D1 college football kids to pro athlete`s. You need to watch Shefields interview on real sports it`s fuckin halarious the excuses he makes saying he did not what the clear was ........so do think Mcguire and Canseco did not know what they were taking when they played for the A`s ?....or when like three player`s from the raiders got busted about 4 years ago taking HGH. I think 2 were Bill Romanawski and Dana Stubblefield