Whites, Blacks, view Bonds HR chase differently

[Harlem]

Originally Posted by TriangleChoke62

doesnt surprise me a bit...I'm not really for or against bonds surpassing hank's record...bein from georgia i'm all about the braves, but bonds was a BAD ASS baseball player, so regardless of race (bc i dont see color) ppl should give bonds the respect he deserves. Steroids or not, he's clean now and he's come back from injuries and he's still crushing the ball...you got to hand it to him. and if he has never tested positive, then what can anyone really say accept for congratulations barry, for being the greatest hr hitter of all time..?

Truer words were never spoken, rep'd

[Metalhead]

It's not a race thing. That's what really bugs me is that people claim it is, but it's not. The guy is a dick that's why nobody likes him. If he was white and had the same attitude he'd get the same reception. The media is playing up the race card. They plant the seed and it spreads like wild fire.

[sandywh]

As far as the Bonds issue goes, I think its more of a, "What kind of baseball fan are you" issue. Casual fans think Bonds should be suspended for roids. Baseball purists believe that he should have an * because of the differences in the game (season length, balls, mounds, bats, roids), true baseball fans don't seem to give a damn, cause they know that 60-80% of the league was on Roids and that there are still 20-30% on them. So why care Bonds did what he had to do to remain the elite player he is/was (thats if you beleive he was juiced). Bonds is a nasty person. He is chippy and an asshole, but he's been that way since grade school, so for him to change that wouldn't be him. Bonds has not been convicted of anything nor suspended for failling any test. Until he does he should heralded as the baseball hero that he is. And Damn Bud Selig for not being there. He should have his league stripped away from him for not acknowledging the greastest record in sports history. And double Damn the talking heads at ESPN for not even letting Bonds complete his homerun trot before talking about the steroids again. Two faced sons of bitches.

[Metalhead]

I may be naive but I really have no opinion if he has anything to do with roids. Yes, his numbers went up after suspicion of juicing, but, maybe that's the time when he learned how important physcial conditioning is. It's possible that he naturally put on some muscle. Maybe he knew his career was coming for an end so he decided to hit the gym. Doesn't mean he took roids.

[Harlem]

Originally Posted by Metalhead

I may be naive but I really have no opinion if he has anything to do with roids. Yes, his numbers went up after suspicion of juicing, but, maybe that's the time when he learned how important physcial conditioning is. It's possible that he naturally put on some muscle. Maybe he knew his career was coming for an end so he decided to hit the gym. Doesn't mean he took roids.

I agree

[jesusatemyhotdog]

Originally Posted by Metalhead

I may be naive but I really have no opinion if he has anything to do with roids. Yes, his numbers went up after suspicion of juicing, but, maybe that's the time when he learned how important physcial conditioning is. It's possible that he naturally put on some muscle. Maybe he knew his career was coming for an end so he decided to hit the gym. Doesn't mean he took roids.

Read 'Game of Shadows'.

There is actually an excerpt here:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...06/growth0313/

And the afterword:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ord/index.html

[The Sundance Kid]

Originally Posted by TriangleChoke62

doesnt surprise me a bit...I'm not really for or against bonds surpassing hank's record...bein from georgia i'm all about the braves, but bonds was a BAD ASS baseball player, so regardless of race (bc i dont see color) ppl should give bonds the respect he deserves. Steroids or not, he's clean now and he's come back from injuries and he's still crushing the ball...you got to hand it to him. and if he has never tested positive, then what can anyone really say accept for congratulations barry, for being the greatest hr hitter of all time..?

Agreed. I feel sad for Aaron, but that's just because I'm a braves Fan. I'd feel just as bad if anyone else broke it.


Good for Barry.

[Mac]

The race card is getting real old, it seems some use it as justification to why someone gets persecuted (sp?). People didn't want Bonds to break the record because he's an asshole and he used steroids. It's the same thing with Vick, people are using the race card on that situation as well.

What are we supposed to do? I have a 12 year old and I'm sorry but I don't want him to celebrate the fact that someone broke a major record while on performance enhancing drugs. I stated in another thread, my son also had a Vick jersey that I spent $50 on at Christmas. I told him I didn't want him wearing it and he said he didn't want to and threw it away. It made me proud of him.

This isn't about race, it's about right and wrong. Mark McGwire had first balot hall of fame numbers but didn't get in. Guess what, he's white. There is no proof that he ever did steroids but everyone thinks he did, including me, so he's not in.

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by Severn

I'm not shocked at all. If anything you can tell how bad it was when he passed Ruth and everyone kept on referring to the homerun record as Babe's instead of Arron's. It goes back more than just Barry Bonds.

rhetorical question: So is it also racist that you can't spell Aaron's name correctly and he's black?


Considering the amount of shit Aaron had to deal with vs. the shit Bond's has had, I think race is overplayed with this issue, and doing so undermines the staggering amount of genuine racist sentiment and behavior in the US today. Playing the race card for this makes it easy for people who don't want to acknowledge racism to write it off as something that was "fixed" in the 60's.

Originally Posted by The Sundance Kid

Agreed. I feel sad for Aaron, but that's just because I'm a braves Fan. I'd feel just as bad if anyone else broke it.

Not a Braves fan, but I feel also sad for Aaron...if you reduce a player to just pure statistics as an individual, Bonds is a better player than Hank, but there's a lot more to being on a team than individual stats. I just wish it was broken by someone who was as good a player and a better person.

I think America still want's heros and role models, ultimately. And rock stars and athletes aren't filling the bill.

rh

[eazye76]

I agree that we can't be sure if Bonds is/was on roids, but keep in mind:
-there is not testing for human growth hormone, which is IMO what made his head so big.
-The good stuff is undetectable, like the cream, which is a steroid that Bonds admitted to using(unknowingly).
-He HAS tested positive for a banned substance - amphetamines.

And let's not forget that his trainer is currently in federal prison indefinitely for refusing to talk about Bonds to a Grand Jury.

I will say again that nobody knows for sure except a few people - but the results of the George Mitchell investigation will come out at some point, so then we should know a lot more.