Can an organization just decide not to use the state athletic commission?

[maxp84z]

I know that on Indian reservations they dont have to abide by the state athletic commission, but can an org just decide "Hey fuck you athletic commission I want to use my own rules"... I think it depends on the venue and the state itself. For example on an Indian reservation in California, they can use PRIDE rules... why cant they use PRIDE rules in other places in California? Honestly, I think the athletic commissions are not informed about MMA.

They usually consist of old boxing commission guys. I believe that MMA is best fit under PRIDE rules... (even PRIDE rules with elbows) I like the 10 minute first round, knees to the head on the floor, soccer kicks and stomps. Yellow cards, judging etc... Is it possible? and why dont other orgs outside of the UFC just do this. It would change the dynamic of MMA.

[DonFrye]

In order to obtain their licenses for the venue and the event, they must obtain approval of the AC or be shut down and prosecuted.

[maxp84z]

Originally Posted by DonFrye

In order to obtain their licenses for the venue and the event, they must obtain approval of the AC or be shut down and prosecuted.

Yeah, I heard something along the lines where if you can get a waiver directly from the state of which the event being held at, it can override the AC ruling... They wanted to try this in California during the PRIDE days not to long ago. If the governor of California approves it, the AC just has to grove on it.

[Ubermensch]

Yea this is all part of the Fiascoes that happened in my day. There were sometimes sanctioning bodies but some of the Athletic commissions would not agree to the fights and then all hell would break lose.

[maxp84z]

I think the athletic commissions do more harm than good. I dont believe that these jokers in the commission know whats best for MMA. I loved PRIDE much more than the UFC... NOT because I was a PRIDE nuthugger, but because I enjoyed the rules and judging of PRIDE much better than in the UFC. It was much better suited for mainstream MMA. Much better for promoting action packed fights. etc. MAYBE one day they'll get off their high horse.

[DonFrye]

I don't think it's a matter of the AC's being bad for the sport, they are just relatively new to dealing with it. As the sport becomes more mainstream, the AC's will develop a better understanding of what makes the sport more fun and exciting. This, in turn, will generate more interest and revenue. Then, all will be as good as it can be. Either way, no one is getting around using the AC's completely, so they are all going to have to get along. ESPECIALLY in CA where the AC is all screwed up.

[maxp84z]

Originally Posted by DonFrye

I don't think it's a matter of the AC's being bad for the sport, they are just relatively new to dealing with it. As the sport becomes more mainstream, the AC's will develop a better understanding of what makes the sport more fun and exciting. This, in turn, will generate more interest and revenue. Then, all will be as good as it can be. Either way, no one is getting around using the AC's completely, so they are all going to have to get along. ESPECIALLY in CA where the AC is all screwed up.

LOL the ACs just have to watch an old PRIDE ppv and know what makes MMA more exciting. In PRIDE there wasnt any deaths or major injury to a fighter receiving a knee to the head on the ground, soccer kick or stomp. This is why we have referees!!!! They stop the fight before a fighter recieves to much unanswered damage. PRIDE rules promoted more finishes.

Also I dont believe EVERY org has to use PRIDE rules... I just think it should be an option.

[DonFrye]

Yeah, but in the U.S. they also have to balance public opinion with all of the other aspects. Unfortunately, people like John McCain have added their "Human Cock Fight" labels and soccer kicks and knees to a downed opponent don't exactly look humane in selectively chosen highlights.

[maxp84z]

Originally Posted by DonFrye

Yeah, but in the U.S. they also have to balance public opinion with all of the other aspects. Unfortunately, people like John McCain have added their "Human Cock Fight" labels and soccer kicks and knees to a downed opponent don't exactly look humane in selectively chosen highlights.

It's a brutal sport what can I say. Remember seeing Karo geting kneed in the face by Diego and losing a tooth in slow motion??? BRUTAL. What about Rich Franklin recieving the first ever rhinoplasty in the Octagon? (lol his nose was litterally underneath his left eye) BRUTAL. Joe Steveson vs BJ? BLOODY and BRUTAL.

I dont believe adding knees to the head on the ground, soccer kicks or stomps are going to add any significant brutality to the sport as it is. PRIDE had this rules but did every PRIDE fight end in brutal head stomping/kicking? NO. These rules only promote finishes to fights and a fluid pace, especially when the fight hits the ground.

I dont think ALL orgs should have these rules. If the UFC decides against them fine, but other orgs should have the option. I'd like to see a DREAM event in the U.S.

[bobafett]

i vote for pride rules with elbows