Sean Sherk (recent photo)

[kc56]

Originally Posted by Palma

Being ripped isn't the issue... having tons of muscle mass when you train at that level is the issue. Don't you think it's odd that for fighter under 170 there are no other fighters with a body like Sherk had?

If you train to fight you will lose muscle mass just like if you train for marathon running... the only way to keep it is to do something illegal.

I agree with you on the marathon point. For Sherk to train that hard and still keep that much mass is something else. He must be consuming about 10,000 calories in a day. Steroids or not.

One thing to consider is that most of Sherk's training (from what we have seen) is in repeated short bursts rather than sustained endurance. Liken it to sprinters versus marathon runners. There have been some big ass sprinters (no, not just Ben Johnson). Where as marathon runners are usually skinny from extended low intensity workouts.

When I bulk, I do more sets of lower reps and higher weight. But, everybody's body is different.

Sherk is also noticeably shorter than most other fighters. (5'6")

I am shocked that fighters like Marvin Eastman have never failed a drug test (or has he?) he is another guy made of tons of fast twitch muscle fibers.

[mmhmm]

Originally Posted by kc56

And you are certainly entitled to your opinion, but I disagree with everything you said. GSP has always been a takedown / GnP guy. He also did not just take him down and lay on him. Even though he didn't pass the guard, he was very aggressive from top control.

As for him "kicking GSP's ass the first time"? We will have to agree to disagree there as well as the rematch.

I think that while Penn may have improved his cardio since that fight, GSP has as well. IMO he has also improved his ground game as far as passing guard and GnP. When talking to Penn fans, it seems that his cardio is the only thing that was ever in question as to him being the greatest fighter in the world. Well, GSP beat him when he was supposed to be unbeatable and at the top of his game. We will have to see what happens next time around. I look forward to all the sig/av bets I will get offered. Sorry man, but Palma has first dibbs on a bet with me if he wants it.

If Penn hadn't caught his nose (cut him with his thumb), I would hope we wouldn't even be having this argument. Those were the only things that Penn did to out-damage St. Pierre, which is the one main thing he had going his way here.

You say "Penn got tired or he would have won" I say GSP adjusted his game and got the win.

I look forward to a rematch.

Just some food for thought, what is going to happen when eventually, somebody does find BJ's chin? Will this MMA forum implode?

By the way, in case you didn't keep up, Shawne Merriman passed 19 of his 20 drug tests, (3 of which were since his 1 positive) sat out for 4 games, came back, was still a beast, looked the same, and was All-Pro, selected for the Pro-Bowl, and led the league in sacks.

BJ outstruck him the whole fight. He has a tough chin, it's been tested, by 205 lbs like Machida.

As far as Shawne Merriman goes, you're way off. Ever since then he's done worse each year. He was selected to the Pro Bowl, which pissed off a lot of players. He doesn't look the same, he's not a beast. I always knew Demarcus Ware was a lot better, and last year he proved it. Merriman is horrible in coverage and gets stuck on blocks by RBs. WARE>MERRIMAN

[kc56]

Originally Posted by mmhmm

BJ outstruck him the whole fight. He has a tough chin, it's been tested, by 205 lbs like Machida.

As far as Shawne Merriman goes, you're way off. Ever since then he's done worse each year. He was selected to the Pro Bowl, which pissed off a lot of players. He doesn't look the same, he's not a beast. I always knew Demarcus Ware was a lot better, and last year he proved it. Merriman is horrible in coverage and gets stuck on blocks by RBs. WARE>MERRIMAN

BJ outstruck him the first round.

GSP won rounds 2 and 3. Striking, control, and takedowns.

I didn't say tested, I said found. Just because he went to decision with Machida does not mean he is invincible.

Done worse with each year? It's been one year. His having less sacks this last year could be from anything. When you lead the league in any stat, people start paying attention and planning for you.

Demarcus Ware did do a little better than Merriman. How does that mean that Merriman was doing Steroids?

[Palma]

Originally Posted by kc56

I agree with you on the marathon point. For Sherk to train that hard and still keep that much mass is something else. He must be consuming about 10,000 calories in a day. Steroids or not.

One thing to consider is that most of Sherk's training (from what we have seen) is in repeated short bursts rather than sustained endurance. Liken it to sprinters versus marathon runners. There have been some big ass sprinters (no, not just Ben Johnson). Where as marathon runners are usually skinny from extended low intensity workouts.

When I bulk, I do more sets of lower reps and higher weight. But, everybody's body is different.

Sherk is also noticeably shorter than most other fighters. (5'6")

I am shocked that fighters like Marvin Eastman have never failed a drug test (or has he?) he is another guy made of tons of fast twitch muscle fibers.

How do you consume 10,000 calories a day and cut weight?

What MMA fighters do as far as training is much more intense and centers around long lasting cardio then what sprinters train for... sprinters don't compete for 25 minutes at a time. Quit making shit up just to win an argument.

And lol at comparing the muscle mass to a MW to that of a LW... that's why I said anyone under 170...

[kc56]

Originally Posted by Palma

How do you consume 10,000 calories a day and cut weight?

10,000 a day was an exaggeration. When I bulked I would do 6-7,000 a day. Of course I never trained as hard as Sherk. The reason I mentioned such a high number is in order to gain muscle or keep it, you have to consume the proper amount of calories. Short explanation is you eat less than you burn, you lose weight. You eat enough or a little bit more, you maintain or gain.

Originally Posted by Palma

What MMA fighters do as far as training is much more intense and centers around long lasting cardio then what sprinters train for... sprinters don't compete for 25 minutes at a time. Quit making shit up just to win an argument.

Sherk doesn't train for 25 minutes at a time either. Thanks for agreeing with me. He trains in 5 minute intervals for high intensity with a rest in between. That is much closer to a sprinter than a marathon runner. Quit not reading things just to try and win an argument.

Originally Posted by Palma

And lol at comparing the muscle mass to a MW to that of a LW... that's why I said anyone under 170...

I mentioned Eastman because he is short and muscular for his weight class. Much like Sherk.

If the average male is 5'9" and Sherk is 5'6, wouldn't it stand to reason that for being shorter and the same weight, he would need to / could afford to carry more mass?

So by definition, it would be very hard for a LW to have that much mass and make weight unless they were shorter.

Compare Eastman (5'9"), Rampage (6'), Chuck (6'2"), and Overeem (6'5").

So why doesn't Chuck or Overeem have the mass of Eastman?

So look at LW.

BJ Penn 5'9
Kenflo 5'10
Din Thomas 5'9"
Joe Lauzon 5'9"

Point being if any of these guys had that much mass, they couldn't be LWs.
Matt Hughes at 5'9 is a WW due to his height and mass.
GSP at 5'10 is a WW due to his height and mass.
Trigg at 5'8 is a WW due to his height and mass.

That is like asking for someone that is 7 foot tall to weigh under 100 lbs.

[Palma]

Originally Posted by kc56

10,000 a day was an exaggeration. When I bulked I would do 6-7,000 a day. Of course I never trained as hard as Sherk. The reason I mentioned such a high number is in order to gain muscle or keep it, you have to consume the proper amount of calories. Short explanation is you eat less than you burn, you lose weight. You eat enough or a little bit more, you maintain or gain.



Sherk doesn't train for 25 minutes at a time either. Thanks for agreeing with me. He trains in 5 minute intervals for high intensity with a rest in between. That is much closer to a sprinter than a marathon runner. Quit not reading things just to try and win an argument.



I mentioned Eastman because he is short and muscular for his weight class. Much like Sherk.

If the average male is 5'9" and Sherk is 5'6, wouldn't it stand to reason that for being shorter and the same weight, he would need to / could afford to carry more mass?

So by definition, it would be very hard for a LW to have that much mass and make weight unless they were shorter.

Compare Eastman (5'9"), Rampage (6'), Chuck (6'2"), and Overeem (6'5").

So why doesn't Chuck or Overeem have the mass of Eastman?

So look at LW.

BJ Penn 5'9
Kenflo 5'10
Din Thomas 5'9"
Joe Lauzon 5'9"

Point being if any of these guys had that much mass, they couldn't be LWs.
Matt Hughes at 5'9 is a WW due to his height and mass.
GSP at 5'10 is a WW due to his height and mass.
Trigg at 5'8 is a WW due to his height and mass.

That is like asking for someone that is 7 foot tall to weigh under 100 lbs.

Do you pretend to be stupid or something? Five five minute rounds is 25 minutes... The breaks Sherk takes in between reps is 30 seconds max... a sprinter trains for 5 to 30 seconds. How is that even comparable?

[kc56]

Originally Posted by Palma

Do you pretend to be stupid or something? Five five minute rounds is 25 minutes... The breaks Sherk takes in between reps is 30 seconds max... a sprinter trains for 5 to 30 seconds. How is that even comparable?

That was all you got out of that?

Sherk's caveman training is 5 one minute high intensity exercises. That means he does one exercise, then moves on to another one.


Then he does 2 2 minute cardio sessions (one on the bike, one on the UBE machine. I would hardly compare that to a marathon. In fact, the word that they keep using is sprint. They do a 30 second sprint for guerilla drills. A 30 second sprint on the bike. A one minute sprint to punch the dummy as many times as possible.

His weight lifting is all also super-sets done for strength/size.

Haven't you ever done super-sets?

Sherk also does more functional strength training, grip, back etc.


Maybe I should have elaborated more.
Sprinters train for explosiveness. Sherk trains for explosiveness too. It just so happens he trains to be explosive for 5 minute rounds. Sprinters often run longer distances, and generally train for multiple events.

I went back and re-watched the all access for Sherk. At the end of his session, he didn't look all that huge.

I wish we had more than one picture of him now. I guess on the 23rd we will see how he looks at weigh ins.

I haven't seen any of the usual signs of steroid abuse in Sherk. Sherk has been very muscular his whole career. His head looks normal, he doesn't seem to be losing his hair, no noticeable body acne, no distended belly. Those are some of the things you will usually notice with longtime steroid abusers (Scott Steiner, Hulk Hogan etc...)

But if he comes into the weigh-ins looking like a popped balloon, I am sure I will not be the only one to admit that it looks like he was juicing. That one picture is only one picture though.

[Ifightforaliving]

sorry bro But I gotta ride with Palma on this one

[kc56]

Originally Posted by Ifightforaliving

sorry bro But I gotta ride with Palma on this one

Fair enough. But man, I have seen your pictures. You are a big mother. How would you feel if people said you are too big to be natural and accuse you of juicing?

[Ifightforaliving]

I'm almost 6'7 so 255 on me is not a stretch. And i have really never been accused but I am sure it would suck.But the fact of the matter is I would never test positive, but lets just say it was contaminated in my next fight you would see me the exact same size because I would change nothing. So you are right in the fact we will have to wait and see what he looks like at the fight. To me though he has lost tons of muscle mass he looks leaned out.And thats coming from a body builder point of view. I work hard as hell to be my size, and I know that the more cardio I do the more I have to eat and work to maintain muscle mass. I also know 2 people who work at my gym that are on roids and they show no signs of them at all. When one of them did go off them for 6 months he looked lean like Sherk does now so. He just didn't have the bulky mass anymore.