Bas Rutten Vs Fedor

[Afro]

Originally Posted by CHUCKtheCHAMP

u really believe bas can go the distance with fedor and win???

of course! standup game isnt just knockin ppl out, he has great kickboxing.. hes got very good defense, conditioning, very very powerful hands some say he has the heaviest hands in MMA history and I wouldnt disagree with them. His ground game is very good, he can roll with Fedor and beat him standing..like I said earlier, if they fought 3 times I think it would go Bas, Draw, Fedor..both Fedor and Bas are well-rounded, explosive, strong, dominating fighters and there very very even.. but I give the slight edge to Bas cuz of his brain, his power, and kickboxing skills.

[CHUCKtheCHAMP]

Originally Posted by Afro Samurai

of course! standup game isnt just knockin ppl out, he has great kickboxing.. hes got very good defense, conditioning, very very powerful hands some say he has the heaviest hands in MMA history and I wouldnt disagree with them. His ground game is very good, he can roll with Fedor and beat him standing..like I said earlier, if they fought 3 times I think it would go Bas, Draw, Fedor..both Fedor and Bas are well-rounded, explosive, strong, dominating fighters and there very very even.. but I give the slight edge to Bas cuz of his brain, his power, and kickboxing skills.

im sorry i just dont c it... i would venture to say that bas's skills havent under gone the type of compitition that fedor has. i would venture to say that bas would be dominated by every asspect of fedors game.

big nog rules the ground against everyone, not fedor

cro cop rules the stand up game, not against fedor

bas is a great fighter yes but has lost fights to ken shamrock and others, fedor is to dominant! fedor would nulify every asspect of bas's stand up game and avoid every subb atempt bas could throw at him...

i say fedor win 95% of the time..

[Afro]

Originally Posted by CHUCKtheCHAMP

im sorry i just dont c it... i would venture to say that bas's skills havent under gone the type of compitition that fedor has. i would venture to say that bas would be dominated by every asspect of fedors game.

big nog rules the ground against everyone, not fedor

cro cop rules the stand up game, not against fedor

bas is a great fighter yes but has lost fights to ken shamrock and others, fedor is to dominant! fedor would nulify every asspect of bas's stand up game and avoid every subb atempt bas could throw at him...

i say fedor win 95% of the time..

Like I said before his losses to Ken and Frank were in Pancrase, under very odd rules he would of beaten both of them in MMA.. Pancrase you only can hit with an open palm and grabbing the ropes breaks up submissions, it was done like pro wrestling to attract a japanese fanbase.

In his prime he was one of the most well-rounded fighters there is, saying Fedor would nulify every aspect of Bas's stand-up game is ridiculous if Fedor stood toe to toe with Bas.. Bas would not knock him out but he would score enough hits to win the round.. on the ground, he can roll with Bas, it wouldnt be easy to submit him.. nor would it be easy for him to submit Fedor, and it wouldnt be easy for Fedor to GnP a win.. either way you cut it there evenly matched.

[AJL416AZ]

Bas has a definite edge standing, but so did Cro Cop, who i would say is at least on par, if not better with Bas standing, and Fedor neutralized his standup game.

but Bas' overall ground game is not up to par with Fedor. he was beaten up pretty good whenever it went to the ground against Randleman, and that was near his prime, although he had injuries when they fought.
however, Fedor is ridiculously talented on the ground, and is a totally different monster then Randleman, doing more damage, and able to finish on the ground anytime.
fedor's sambo>rutten's overall sub game.

and i would go ahead and say that Fedor has better gameplans then Bas, although Bas is smart as well, Fedor has shown some of the greatest gameplan and in-fight adjustment that we've seen in modern MMA

[killerinstinct]

Fedor by first round domination of Bas Rutten.Bas has never fought anyone close to Fedor's level and has lost to fighters that couldn't even tie Fedor's shoes.

[MichaelK]

The most common misconception on these forums is that Fedor is completely untouchable; no one can or ever will beat Fedor. This is a crock. Do I think Bas could beat him? No. Ken Shamrock? Nope. Frank? Nah.

The man I believe that can beat Fedor, and soon will get his chance, I hope, is Josh Barnett.

[Nate_Deezy]

I think Bas would have a good chance at beating him if he were in his prime. Nowadays Fedor would squash him with little to no effort. This is one of those matches that is so frustrating because it will never happen. We can only dream. They are pretty much the best fighters from each of their respective eras.

The thing that sets Fedor apart from every other MMA fighter in a nutshell is in MMA, you typically will have stats like this:

(Stats out of 100)

Fighter A:
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BJJ/ Sambo/ Grappling - 65-70
Boxing/Kickboxing - 40-45
Wrestling - 50-55
Cardio - 70-75
Heart - 65-70
Work Ethic - 75-80

Fedor's stats look something like this:

Fedor:
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BJJ/ Sambo/ Grappling - 90-95
Boxing/Kickboxing - 90-95
Wrestling - 90-95
Cardio - 90-95
Heart - 90-95
Work Ethic - 90-95

Where there are holes in a typical fighter's game, or an inbalance in skills...this is not the case for Fedor at all. He has no holes in his game. He is simply the most complete fighter in the world. He fights guys who are experts at their style, and BEATS them at their own game. He fights their fight and still dominates them. Fedor can beat anyone, at any time, from any position. Fedor's fights happen where he wants them to happen. End of story.

[Harlem]

IMO Bas Rutten hasn't fought anybody. His fight with Randleman wasn't impressive in the UFC. IMO his ground game isn't that good because Ken has Subed him. Ken just doesn't strike me as the best of grapplers, Royce has dominated him and he hasn't showed anything at all. I think Randy Couture is a better grappler. Frank left Ken to go train with TK because Ken just wasn't cutting it, and Franks Grappling is obviously better than Kens. Bas's Stand up is good but compared to Fedor ?? This tread shouldn't even be here, Fedor would have killed that man. Bas ain't never see anything remotely close to something like Fedor. Bas couldn't even stop Randleman for gods sake and Randleman is the LHW steping stone for Pride. If bas can't sub or KO Randleman or Ken Shamrock then he BETTER NOT THINK ABOUT FIGHTING ""FEDOR""

[Harlem]

Originally Posted by MichaelK

The most common misconception on these forums is that Fedor is completely untouchable; no one can or ever will beat Fedor. This is a crock. Do I think Bas could beat him? No. Ken Shamrock? Nope. Frank? Nah.

The man I believe that can beat Fedor, and soon will get his chance, I hope, is Josh Barnett.

[Afro]

Some of you need to learn more about Bas before you make these awful assessments.

His loses to Ken Shamrock came in Pancrase, before Bas started to cross-train.. Pancrase rules are you cant use a closed-fist, grabbing the ropes breaks a submission, its similar to wrestling its not even real MMA.

Bas hasnt fought anyone? whos fault is this? look at the time that Bas fought in, he fought in PANCRASE which is considered the first MMA organization, he fought and beat the best there was at the time. He is a certified thai boxing trainer, how many fighters in MMA are certified to train in thai boxing? he has a 14-1 kickboxing record, his standup is one of the best MMA has ever seen. His accomplishments in MMA do not warrant his skills as a fighter, after then Ken Shamrock fight he became much much better at submissions and became a well-rounded fighter.. after the Ken Shamrock fight he never lost by submission again, and won 11 fights by submission. People need to stop basing these opinions off of accomplishments, Bas accomplished all he could at the time he fought.. he was the king of Pancrase and beat the best Pancrase had to offer. Losing to Ken Shamrock early in your career is no sham, anyone who thinks that Ken didnt have a very good submission game is dillusional. Beating Frank Shamrock isnt easy at all either. Bas' kickboxing is great, his submission game is very good, and hes not a bad wrestler at all.. he has a ton of KO power, and EXCELLENT STANDUP.. his stance, defense, the whole 9 is perfect, hes fast and strong.. these are facts about him as a fighter that you cant see in his wins or loses column.