Chuck Liddell Vs Floys Mayweather

[Afro]

Originally Posted by Hypergit

yes yes, Boxing>>mma at... boxing. Shame you need more than punching and punch defense to beat a good mma fighter.

Tell that to Shogun, Wand, A. Silva, etc etc

[Hypergit]

I'm pretty sure they use more than punches to the front of the head and body + defence thereof.

[Afro]

Originally Posted by Hypergit

I'm pretty sure they use more than punches to the front of the head and body + defence thereof.

they were muay thai fighters before they were in MMA right?

so because they kick it makes them totally different then a boxer? they cant throw punches like a boxer, there kickers.. and boxers are punchers its equal. Either way, they all have BJJ backgrounds now.. why? because anyone who enters MMA is going to cross-train you dont join a basketball team and train for football do you?

[Hypergit]

Originally Posted by Afro Samurai

they were muay thai fighters before they were in MMA right?

No they were Muay Thai/bjj/Vale Tudo before mma as far as I know.

Originally Posted by Afro Samurai

so because they kick it makes them totally different then a boxer?

Yes. And, from that sentence, I can see you have never sparred in a striking martial art except boxing.

Originally Posted by Afro Samurai

they cant throw punches like a boxer, there kickers.. and boxers are punchers its equal.

Not equal. Kicks have more range & power and they can be aimed at the legs, Knees (and elbows for that matter) have far more power during the clinch. That and MMArtists do practice boxing and wrestling/grappling too so yeah, NOT equal.

Originally Posted by Afro Samurai

Either way, they all have BJJ backgrounds now.. why? because anyone who enters MMA is going to cross-train you dont join a basketball team and train for football do you?

So, yet again, you are making the painfully obvious suggestion that if you train a boxer at mma they could be good. That's not what it seemed like in the thread title and your posts, so sorry for the misunderstanding.

If you are looking for someone to back up your ridiculous boxing bias views I really think you are on the wrong board, or at least the wrong section of it.

git.

[Luis Cruz]

Ok i clicked on this thinking it was a joke and people are actually debating this. Chuck would beat the holy fuck out of Floyd, Judah, or Baldomir anywhere he wants it. He's freakin' 6'2 and probably would be around 215-220 where as Mayweather is 5'8 and would be around 155-160 max. That's 60lbs and 6" difference not even including the reach advantage. This is crazy talk, Mayweather would have to come way inside Chuck's range just to hit him while avoiding his kickboxing (yeah people forget that's Chuck's background). One shot from Chuck with those 2-4oz gloves or a kick and they would all be taking a nap and if you don't think he's going to land one punch on Mayweather you're crazy. He's great against guys his size but against a size difference like this and power no chance in hell he makes it out of the first 2 minutes. Mayweather's not invincible or god! lol

[Afro]

Originally Posted by Hypergit

No they were Muay Thai/bjj/Vale Tudo before mma as far as I know.



Yes. And, from that sentence, I can see you have never sparred in a striking martial art except boxing.



Not equal. Kicks have more range & power and they can be aimed at the legs, Knees (and elbows for that matter) have far more power during the clinch. That and MMArtists do practice boxing and wrestling/grappling too so yeah, NOT equal.



So, yet again, you are making the painfully obvious suggestion that if you train a boxer at mma they could be good. That's not what it seemed like in the thread title and your posts, so sorry for the misunderstanding.

If you are looking for someone to back up your ridiculous boxing bias views I really think you are on the wrong board, or at least the wrong section of it.

git.

I actually have and maybe I dont understand what your saying

I forgot that Muay Thai is also elbows.. but I could of sworn you were saying Boxers are one dimensional in MMA because all they do is throw punches.. which is true, but forgetting that Muay Thai = Elbows it would be the same wouldnt it for a Muay thai fighter in MMA to be one dimensional because all they do is knee and kick, but they do throw elbows so they do have a complete game. STILL, look at Mark Hunt who is a Top 10 HW.. he is a kickboxer, he has no ground game yet hes still doing fine.

I still dont understand why you think that if a Boxer came into MMA and CROSS TRAINED he'd be worst off then anyone else.. I dont see the logic here, that seems odd to me its like saying Polish people cant fight in MMA cuz there polish.. what makes a boxer that cross-trains any different from anyone else?

[kowarrior]

Chuck is the man! But in a boxing match, he'd get his ass killed in about 2 rounds. His boxing is only good because he's in MMA so he can get away with it due to the fact that no fighters in the UFC have a standup worth a sh*t. Guys like Ortiz and Babalu aren't boxers.
You know, honestly, I'd LOVE to see Chuck vs Butterbean! Chuck would have to take that to the ground somehow because he'd die if he tried to trade with Bean. No joke! He'd get the Bart Gunn/Sean O Haire treatment if he tried to stand up with Bean.

[Hypergit]

Originally Posted by Afro Samurai

I actually have and maybe I dont understand what your saying

I forgot that Muay Thai is also elbows.. but I could of sworn you were saying Boxers are one dimensional in MMA because all they do is throw punches.. which is true, but forgetting that Muay Thai = Elbows it would be the same wouldnt it for a Muay thai fighter in MMA to be one dimensional because all they do is knee and kick, but they do throw elbows so they do have a complete game. STILL, look at Mark Hunt who is a Top 10 HW.. he is a kickboxer, he has no ground game yet hes still doing fine.

Buddy, it is me that doesn't understand what -you- are saying.

Mark Hunt has sub, takedown, kick, and clinch defence. He can also kick and has the best chin in mma.

Originally Posted by Afro Samurai

I still dont understand why you think that if a Boxer came into MMA and CROSS TRAINED he'd be worst off then anyone else.. I dont see the logic here, that seems odd to me its like saying Polish people cant fight in MMA cuz there polish.. what makes a boxer that cross-trains any different from anyone else?

I don't think they'd be worse off (although maybe a slight disadvantage as there would be more to learn). However, once you train for mma you are not a boxer, you are an ex-boxer.

Your opinion seems to be (and I've seen it in many threads) that a boxer would be fine as-is.

Well even in K1, let alone mma, a boxer would be mediocre at best. I'm not going to discuss this further with you because your stand point seems to shift with every post you make and it gets tiring.

In answer to this thread Luis said it best:

"Chuck would beat the holy fuck out of Floyd, Judah, or Baldomir anywhere he wants it."

And you, sir, are wrong.

[Afro]

Originally Posted by Hypergit

Buddy, it is me that doesn't understand what -you- are saying.

Mark Hunt has sub, takedown, kick, and clinch defence. He can also kick and has the best chin in mma.



I don't think they'd be worse off (although maybe a slight disadvantage as there would be more to learn). However, once you train for mma you are not a boxer, you are an ex-boxer.

Your opinion seems to be (and I've seen it in many threads) that a boxer would be fine as-is.

Well even in K1, let alone mma, a boxer would be mediocre at best. I'm not going to discuss this further with you because your stand point seems to shift with every post you make and it gets tiring.

In answer to this thread Luis said it best:

"Chuck would beat the holy fuck out of Floyd, Judah, or Baldomir anywhere he wants it."

And you, sir, are wrong.

ok my opinion is a boxer would be fine as-is even though between me and you im the only one saying a Boxer should cross-train, sorry but your contradicting here.. your the one saying a Boxer would come into MMA as a boxer without cross-training, IVE SAID OVER AND OVER that a boxer would HAVE TO cross-train and WOULD cross-train because NO ONE GOES INTO A SPORT AND DOESNT TRAIN FOR THAT SPORT. And saying that a boxer would be mediocre in K1 shows that you hardly watch K1.. really it does. Didnt Wandy take Mark Hunt down?? your claiming Hunt has all these things when everytime hes faced a guy with a ground game hes lost. Hunt has to incorporate more wrestling, BJJ, etc into his game otherwise hes just a K-1 Kickboxer look at Cro-cop.. hes actually submitted people in MMA, and has takedown D..
it doesnt matter if your a BJJ fighter, Boxer, Kickboxer, Wrestler.. if you dont cross-train your not gonna be that good, PERIOD! it doesnt matter what you are.

[Hypergit]

Originally Posted by Afro Samurai

im the only one saying a Boxer should cross-train, sorry but your contradicting here...

Dude, if you want to see contradictions, just go look over your posts in this thread. You might find some choice lines in quotes towards the top of this page like I said, I'm done discussing this with you, because you use smoke, mirrors, and huge U turns to pitifully attempt to cover up your utterly stupid previous points.

PS - here's a boxer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSiE9Ed8jW4