Chuck Liddell vs. Brock Lesnar (5 Round fight)

[GEEZER]

Originally Posted by Gurry

if thsi thread was made 3-4 years ago, i would have found where all of you lived and tooken a shit on your face for trolling the forums, but now i find it an interesting argument (one at which i dont have an opinion). Funny how times change.

Well I haven't been here very long so I'm going to fart in the general direction of this thread



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[kickbox]

Originally Posted by CHUCKtheCHAMP

i would like to see chuk ko brock but if that didnt happen right away, i know brock would lay ontop of chuck and pound him...i guess chuck mite have a chance at getting back up because he is so good at that but brock is just so big..i dont like brock but i give him that he is very athletic and very big and strong...so itl be hard for chuck to win this fight..but chuck knows his jits, has a very good wrestling game and if he connects on brock(anyone imo) itl be lights out..

id have to disagree. Liddell can sprawl and change angles. Liddell has good defensive footwork for strong wrestlers. Brock wont get Liddell to the ground never...Liddell by KO..

[Problematique]

Originally Posted by Severn

Too atheltic, too big. Brock at fight time weighs a bit over 280 and while his stand-up technique could use a lot of work he's got power to make up for it. I can see him bullying Chuck into cage then taking him down and keeping him there. It'll be like Rampage/Chuck 1 but this time the role of Rampage will be played by Brock Lesnar and that's scary.

Indeed.
Chucks best chance is to KO Lesnar.
Lesnar is too strong, to fast, too heavy for Chuck to stuff his takedown or to reverse it.
What will be the deciding factor in this fight is: Lesnar's conditioning.

[dbader08]

Originally Posted by btp

Problem 1: Brock at fight time = 280, Chuchk = 215-220, and that 65 pound weight differential is raw power. There is no way in hell anyone at heavyweight let alone light heavyweight, even with Chuck's take down defense, can stop Brock's takedowns.

Problem 2: Chuck is a counter-striker and how the fuck do you counter punches like the one that floored Herring.

That being said Chuck does have the speed and strking to potentially catch Brock and test his chin, or catch him on the ground. I just don't see either happening.

Brock by demolition, leading to Chuck's retirement moving up a few years,

yeah good point...how in the hell is a man supposed to counter an extremely telegraphed straight right hand?

i mean...you can't just slip it or anything...

and also, brock's eyes were completely shut when he threw it. chuck would slip that and throw an overhand right or a right hook and brock would be asleep on the canvas in no time.

Chuck keeps a very wide stance and keeps his distance good so it will be hard for brock to even be in a position to take Chuck down. he's going to have to trade with chuck for a while to be able to get inside...and from what i've seen of lesnar's stand up it isnt that good...

[MichaelK]

Originally Posted by leedogg900

Are you being serious? If so

Ill take Brock by decision or tko. Chuck has good takedown defense but he isn't superman. No way hes going to stop Brock from taking him down. Brock would have a good 50+lbs and he's way stronger then chuck with better wrestling. I think Chuck is too small to beat Lesnar. Chucks main advantage over people is KO power and he wouldn't even have that advantage in this fight.

Wait... Chuck wouldn't have a punching power advantage over Lesnar? You're joking, right?

In any event, I am on the fence with this bout.

First, Lesnar has insane strength, amazing quickness and agility for his size, and really likes to come right at you without thinking twice about it. Let's not forget about his wrestling ability, which pound for pound is one the best in MMA.

Then you have Chuck.

Likes to come at you from odd angles, has good footwork, rarely makes mistakes standing, and has legendary take down defense, as well as a chin made of granite.

I can see both Lesnar charging in and eating a straight right for a KO, or him using his strength and quickness to catch him off guard to take him down and hold him there for a decision.

[MichaelK]

Originally Posted by btp

Problem 1: Brock at fight time = 280, Chuchk = 215-220, and that 65 pound weight differential is raw power. There is no way in hell anyone at heavyweight let alone light heavyweight, even with Chuck's take down defense, can stop Brock's takedowns.

Problem 2: Chuck is a counter-striker and how the fuck do you counter punches like the one that floored Herring.

That being said Chuck does have the speed and strking to potentially catch Brock and test his chin, or catch him on the ground. I just don't see either happening.

Brock by demolition, leading to Chuck's retirement moving up a few years,

Problem 3: You're comparing the striking of Heath Herring's to Chuck Liddell's.

[racerat]

I believe this fight is very close to call, but I would have to give the edge in OCTAGON experience to Chuck untill Brock can prove he can beat a seasoned fighter, excluding Herring, as he is nowhere nere the fighter Chuck is.

[MichaelK]

It is tough to call, race. Brock has the edge in many catagories, but Chuck has that ability to beat anyone and at any second in a fight.

I think we can all agree that Brock is more athletically gifted; he's stronger, faster, a better wrestler and so on. There is no way Chuck could sprawl and stop Lesnar from taking him down. He can use his foot woork to try to keep Brock off blanace and use odd angles to rattle him, which has always been his strength.

I'd just never count Chuck out. He has that fire, you know?

And, well... Brock Lesnar is a fucking monster. With some serious training outside of the Lay-N-Pray Camp in Minnesota, he'd be a very legitimate threat to anyone at heavyweight. Greg Jackson's camp would fit him nicely,. I reckon.

[racerat]

I agree with you totally. I guess I'm hardheaded but Brock just hasn't convinced me that he is a legitiment contender till he beata someone of high caliber. I think he needs more time, training, and real fight experience in the octagon to really be legit, which I don't think is to awfully for off. JMO

[Fedorlei Gomipierre]

Lesnar via bullrush. His ground skills are nonexistant, but his pound skills are off the charts.

He'd close the gap and slam Chuck down. Chuck has an amazing sprawl and takedown defense, but I don't think anybody, not even Randelman or Coleman have Brock's brute force and speed.

Brock's weaknesses aren't where Chuck's strengths lie, so I don't see him in trouble like he would against Big Nog or Mir.

Love Chuck, but fear Lesnar.