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At 185 who takes it?
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Not going to pick yet looks like Vitor is back but I just havent seen enough yet. Have him have a couple of more fights then I will tell.
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Vitor beat Terry, that really doesn't tell me much.

Vitor has the skills to win, but i need more to really judge.
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Has more to do with what I think of Frank Shamrock than it does Belfort. I think Vitor would destroy Frank Shamrock. He's so focused and superior than Frank Shamrock right now. Figure he'd knock him out.

...Frank Shamrock isn't all that good. You know, just...For the record, hah.
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Has more to do with what I think of Frank Shamrock than it does Belfort. I think Vitor would destroy Frank Shamrock. He's so focused and superior than Frank Shamrock right now. Figure he'd knock him out.

...Frank Shamrock isn't all that good. You know, just...For the record, hah.
This is retarded! Please explain how Frank isn't all that good? IMO he's one of the top 10 MWs. Besides Maybe Rich, Cung Le, and Silva, who the hell has better standup?

He's destroyed Tito back day and he was no where the well rounded fighter he is now. Does him giving Cung Le trouble striking mean anything to you? You do know Cung Le is comparable to A Silva in that dept. right? Maybe better

Please do explain this BS you speak of and don't give me Renzo Gracie as an example after Frank KO'd his ass off his back. Gracie being able to keep Frank down for a considerable amount of time means nothing when he is after all one of the best BJJ practitioners in MMA.

Also, don't give me that Frank hasn't fought anyone. Especially after Frank improved drastically in his standup, and always had one of the best ground games.
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Frank Shamrock is no way in hell a top 10 MW IMO.

But it's MO, and you are entitled to yours.

This has the potential to be a good fight, but I think Vitor takes it.


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Well, it isn't a kickboxing match. And Cung Le is not a better MMA fighter than Anderson Silva. Stand up or otherwise, I don't care - MMA match, Anderson over anyone. Frank was disqualified for "KO'ing" Renzo with knee's to a downed opponent. And no, he isn't the fighter he was back then - That's not a good point. He's coming off a broken arm and isn't getting any younger.

Anderson Silva, Cung Le, Rich, Hendo, Wanderlai (if he dropped), Denis Kang, and hell, I'd even put Yushin Okami over Frank. And yup, even Vitor Belfort.

I don't think highly of Frank. He'll probably lose to Tito once that rematch of the subpar superstars happens. But whatever. At least he can go out on top when he beats Ken. Or he can take an even safer bet and beat Baroni again. Go out on top of the bottom, so to speak.
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This is retarded! Please explain how Frank isn't all that good? IMO he's one of the top 10 MWs. Besides Maybe Rich, Cung Le, and Silva, who the hell has better standup?

He's destroyed Tito back day and he was no where the well rounded fighter he is now. Does him giving Cung Le trouble striking mean anything to you? You do know Cung Le is comparable to A Silva in that dept. right? Maybe better

Please do explain this BS you speak of and don't give me Renzo Gracie as an example after Frank KO'd his ass off his back. Gracie being able to keep Frank down for a considerable amount of time means nothing when he is after all one of the best BJJ practitioners in MMA.

Also, don't give me that Frank hasn't fought anyone. Especially after Frank improved drastically in his standup, and always had one of the best ground games.
I guess out striking Phil Baroni makes Frank have great stand up. Shit maybe it was out striking Renzo.

Frank Ko'ed him with a illegal knee, that means nothing.

Cung landed everything on Frank, sure frank landed some shots but usually thats what happens in a fight.

He didn't destroy Tito when they fought, that was a good fight until Tito shit gassed and Frank capitalized.

I don't see where Frank improved the way you are talking.

Honestly i can bring up who has he fought because really who has he fought.

Renzo, Phil, Cesar, i mean they are all great strikers an fighters right.

Oh i must have forgot that Cesar's only ever pro mma fight was his fight against Frank.

Renzo is 4-6 in his last 10. He is just a great fighter i mean he has it all, stand up, wrestling, ground, chin. Sorry i must have hit my head.

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Not going to pick yet looks like Vitor is back but I just havent seen enough yet. Have him have a couple of more fights then I will tell.
That is basically how I feel.. I think if he looks good in his next fight or two, we will have a better answer.
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Seriously, though - Belfort looked pretty fucking good. I mean, considering how some debuts when a fighter drops weight have gone (Swick, Vera) - Belfort looked really good in his debut at 185. I hope he stays there and signs up with the UFC. Anxious to see him again. Hell - Against Frank! Vitor didn't get hurt, did he? Frank's rehab is supposedly going well. I hope EliteXC makes it happen.
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