Wanderlei Silva vs. Lyoto Machida

[leedogg900]

Originally Posted by Afro

Wandy not speedy.. first time ever hearing that.

imo he was a lot faster when he was younger :-S

[Afro]

Originally Posted by leedogg900

imo he was a lot faster when he was younger :-S

He didnt look too fast vs Liddell but vs Jardine that was a pretty damn fast counter..

[leedogg900]

Originally Posted by Afro

He didnt look too fast vs Liddell but vs Jardine that was a pretty damn fast counter..

nah dude watch it again, his punches were not fast. they were just timed well and accurate. they were actually pretty slow.

eithor way when referring to quick feet work and hands i dont think wandy is a guy to mention, just my opinion of course.

[Ubermensch]

Originally Posted by leedogg900

imo he was a lot faster when he was younger :-S

Oh so now he was only fast when he was younger?!?! Nice way to back peddle.

[leedogg900]

Originally Posted by Ubermensch

Oh so now he was only fast when he was younger?!?! Nice way to back peddle.

lol. how am i back peddling? back peddling would indicate i went back on what i said, which i didnt. even when wandy was younger i would never describe his fighting style as speedy or "fast". the reason i mentioned that is because i beleive you are thinking of the wandy from pride, and not the current one.

wandy stands mostly flat footed and throws haymaker hooks, he doesnt throw quick jabs and hes not fast with his footwork. he doesnt move in and out throwing fast combinations. he comes in uses some head movement and throws his haymaker hooks. thats not exactly my defintion of being fast. also it seems ive been giving my opinions and thoughts where as you've only responded with childish remarks.

you argue like a child and your comments are what i would expect from a 16 year old. im not gonna discuss this with you any longer.

[Ubermensch]

Fine if you feel my opinion on the debate is childish so be it. Nevertheless your uninformed counter to the conversation just tells me or anyone who has ever fought or trained that you have no idea of what you are talking about. You say haymaker hooks in your rebuttal. Well there are no such things as haymaker hooks. A hook is quite different from a haymaker it is tucked in more and curls from the inside as for a haymaker is outreaching and in a big swooping motion coming from the outside. Just so you know.

[leedogg900]

saying a "haymaker hook" is just a way to describe how he punches. obviously i know there is a difference between the two. he throws a hook with all his power behind it, hence haymaker hook. i dont want to respond to you, but everytime you say something it makes me shake my head.

[Ubermensch]

Just so you know a hook in and of itself can have all your power behind it, its pretty common. It depends on your footwork and hip movement in how you throw it. Bas Ruttens patented "Liver Shot" is just a lower left hook with power. As for the head shaking well the feeling is mutual.

[TheKidInside]

Tho, I love Machida, I think that Wandy is so overly aggressive that Machida would have trouble playing his defense counter-punch-combo game. WAR WAND!

[Afro]

Originally Posted by leedogg900

saying a "haymaker hook" is just a way to describe how he punches. obviously i know there is a difference between the two. he throws a hook with all his power behind it, hence haymaker hook. i dont want to respond to you, but everytime you say something it makes me shake my head.

Bro.. a Haymaker Hook couldnt be even more of an oxymoron

the term haymaker doesnt describe the power behind it but the motion of the punch.. its called a haymaker because the way the punch loops resembles that of a cutting haye with a scythe.. so its pretty much impossible to throw a haymaker hook and if possible, you'd break your wrist.