Randy Couture vs. Brock Lesnar

[neonatural45]

Something inside me makes me think that Randy Couture has learned how to do an armbar in his 10 years of fighting MMA..... maybe Im just crazy though

[Dork8503]

Originally Posted by neonatural45

Something inside me makes me think that Randy Couture has learned how to do an armbar in his 10 years of fighting MMA..... maybe Im just crazy though

I am sure he has but there is a difference between learning how and actually delivering.

Can Brock win, yup. Can Randy win, yup.

Who do i give the fight too, well i would have to say Brock.

But here are my reasons.

First, Randy is getting up there in age. Before people shit on me for saying that, by saying well look what he did to Gabe and Tim. Well that was then this is now. Time catches up to everyone.

Size goes to Brock. Strength goes to Brock and so does speed. Wrestling you could say Randy because he has accomplished more, but at the same time Brock went to WWE instead of trying for the Olympics. Striking goes to Randy as does experience.

Brock is to fast with his take downs and to strong for imo Randy to stop them.

I believe Brock can hold Randy down, and i don't believe Randy is going to catch Brock in a arm bar or anything like that.

Lets face is Randy is no where near the level that Mir is at on the ground.

Also i believe Brock would just power out of any sub Randy tried. Yes i know Mir subbed him, but again Randy is not Mir, he does not have the bjj experience or the skill that Mir has, nor the technique.

I believe Brock takes Randy down and gnps him to a 2nd round stoppage.

i think Brock can beat anyone that isn't a threat to him on the ground.

Brock is a fucking huge animal, that moves like a ww but weights 270 plus.

like Mir said, i couldn't believe how fast Brock was.

People can bash me all they want for saying this. I do dislike Randy for all his shit he is doing, but that is not why i am picking Brock.

Brock is just bigger, stronger, faster, younger, hungrier and meaner.

Just because he is 1-1 means nothing. He has great wrestling and from the looks nasty gnp, and the best part about it, is that he is training full time to become a better fighter.

Randy is still good, but i believe Brock is better where it counts in this fight.

[MONSONBYCHOKE]

Randy wins this via any way he wants.

Randy knows what it takes to win and we have seen that. I have no reason to believe that Lesnar beats Randy. What happens when Lesnar fights a man that has the same game as him? You think Lesnar is going to just take randy down like nothing. I think we are getting a little bit ahead of ourselves. Randy has been in the game for years and his quite capable of stuffing a take down. I do not think Lesnar has what it takes at this point in his career to beat a 45 year old Randy. You must look at the Cardio factor here as well. I see Lesnar getting tired very quick with Randy

[Ubermensch]

You people act like Brock has accomplished something in the world of MMA. He has not, all he showed is that he can bull dog. A Good Muay Thai guy would have made him pay for that and that fight would of even went faster. He showed he has no control over his fists during his GNP. He has shown he makes really armature mistakes that guys at local cage fighting matches don't even make. Do most of you know that when you fight you actually can manipulate the weight an speed of the other fighter to your advantage?? As Sloppy as Brock is that is what most will do especially a smart fighter like randy.

The thing he has got going for him is this speed and strength of his. If you think he has any more you are fooling yourself. His fighting is sloppy and anyone around his weight with some experience will capitalize on that. Not saying he wont hone his skills but you guys act like he is already legit when he has not shown anything to say so.

[neonatural45]

IMO Randy would beat Mir in a grappling match, Frank wouldn't even come close to catching him. Mir's BJJ is really average for that division, after he fights Nog people will see that although he can sub guys like Hardonk, Tank, and Lesnar his BJJ is nowhere near elite level. The kneebar he caught Brock in was crappy, and you could tell as soon as Brock didn't even try to defend it that he was in over his head. If Brock takes the approach of "I will deal with the pain and he will eventually let me go" to escape sub attempts like he did against Mir then he won't beat anyone worth a mention in his career.


Randy has pulled off anaconda chokes on much more experienced grapplers then Lesnar, I'm pretty sure he could pull of an armbar. The only recent match that we have seen Randy on his back (besides after he just got KO'd) was against MVA and he sub'd him. MVA has been in Abu Dhabi and is a more experience wrestler then Lesnar, and just as athletic.

[CJRockstar]

Originally Posted by Dork8503

I am sure he has but there is a difference between learning how and actually delivering.

Can Brock win, yup. Can Randy win, yup.

Who do i give the fight too, well i would have to say Brock.

But here are my reasons.

First, Randy is getting up there in age. Before people shit on me for saying that, by saying well look what he did to Gabe and Tim. Well that was then this is now. Time catches up to everyone.

Size goes to Brock. Strength goes to Brock and so does speed. Wrestling you could say Randy because he has accomplished more, but at the same time Brock went to WWE instead of trying for the Olympics. Striking goes to Randy as does experience.

Brock is to fast with his take downs and to strong for imo Randy to stop them.

I believe Brock can hold Randy down, and i don't believe Randy is going to catch Brock in a arm bar or anything like that.

Lets face is Randy is no where near the level that Mir is at on the ground.

Also i believe Brock would just power out of any sub Randy tried. Yes i know Mir subbed him, but again Randy is not Mir, he does not have the bjj experience or the skill that Mir has, nor the technique.

I believe Brock takes Randy down and gnps him to a 2nd round stoppage.

i think Brock can beat anyone that isn't a threat to him on the ground.

Brock is a fucking huge animal, that moves like a ww but weights 270 plus.

like Mir said, i couldn't believe how fast Brock was.

People can bash me all they want for saying this. I do dislike Randy for all his shit he is doing, but that is not why i am picking Brock.

Brock is just bigger, stronger, faster, younger, hungrier and meaner.

Just because he is 1-1 means nothing. He has great wrestling and from the looks nasty gnp, and the best part about it, is that he is training full time to become a better fighter.

Randy is still good, but i believe Brock is better where it counts in this fight.

A yup

[Dork8503]

Originally Posted by neonatural45

IMO Randy would beat Mir in a grappling match, Frank wouldn't even come close to catching him. Mir's BJJ is really average for that division, after he fights Nog people will see that although he can sub guys like Hardonk, Tank, and Lesnar his BJJ is nowhere near elite level. The kneebar he caught Brock in was crappy, and you could tell as soon as Brock didn't even try to defend it that he was in over his head. If Brock takes the approach of "I will deal with the pain and he will eventually let me go" to escape sub attempts like he did against Mir then he won't beat anyone worth a mention in his career.


Randy has pulled off anaconda chokes on much more experienced grapplers then Lesnar, I'm pretty sure he could pull of an armbar. The only recent match that we have seen Randy on his back (besides after he just got KO'd) was against MVA and he sub'd him. MVA has been in Abu Dhabi and is a more experience wrestler then Lesnar, and just as athletic.

i agree with you about Nog

[Dr. MMA]

I haven't seen enough of Lesnar to make a comment. I know he has explosiveness, speed and lots of bloody power. It's hard to make that comparison against a seasoned Veteran like Randy. Who knows how Lesnar would fight after 3 or 4 minutes of the first round. He may look like Lutter... who knows... I'll make my judgement after he fights coleman (as long as thats not a 1 minute fight). We need to see more of lesnar fighting.

With that being said, I would like to know what Randy's gameplan would be though. Lesnar's is probably going balls out.

[mmasince91]

I think it would be a bad match up for Randy. Randy doesn't have great subs and he won't be able to match Lesnor's strength. I would really love to see this fight though

[TriangleChoke]

Originally Posted by Ubermensch

You people act like Brock has accomplished something in the world of MMA. He has not, all he showed is that he can bull dog. A Good Muay Thai guy would have made him pay for that and that fight would of even went faster. He showed he has no control over his fists during his GNP. He has shown he makes really armature mistakes that guys at local cage fighting matches don't even make. Do most of you know that when you fight you actually can manipulate the weight an speed of the other fighter to your advantage?? As Sloppy as Brock is that is what most will do especially a smart fighter like randy.

The thing he has got going for him is this speed and strength of his. If you think he has any more you are fooling yourself. His fighting is sloppy and anyone around his weight with some experience will capitalize on that. Not saying he wont hone his skills but you guys act like he is already legit when he has not shown anything to say so.

Damn good post; however,

I'm on the fence with this. I think Randy would win, but he would have to keep an extremely high pace against brock, and throwing punches/clinching, pummeling/repummeling in on a guy as big as brock--that has a tendency to take A LOT out of you very quickly...I think if Randy couldnt stop it early then the fight could be very interesting.

I'm curious as to how you see Coleman/Lesnar ending?