Rather see GSP vs. BJ or GSP vs. Silva? Poll

[rivethead]

BJ vs. GSP is competative, but an in-shape and focused BJ takes it.
GSP vs. Anderson is not competative. It would be unfortunate for GSP.
BJ vs. Anderson would be amazing, but I would ultimately go with Anderson's reach and pinpoint accuracy. If it went to the ground I would probably get confused.

But if Anderson is fighting anyone outside of the current crop of MW's, I'd rather see him fight Rampage.

rh

[kc56]

Originally Posted by Palma

I think you are crazy... Penn vs. Silva would be much more interesting then GSP vs. Silva... at least Penn has the ability to not get finished...

In regards to Penn vs. GSP... I agree that GSP has improved more then Penn since their first fight, but he has to improve at the same rate for the next 10 years just to catch up to where Penn was when they fought the first time for them to have equal ability... Penn improved in the only area he needed to... his strenght and conditioning.

Penn vs. GSP: Penn by tko in the 2nd

GSP vs. Silva: Silva by KO in the 1st

Penn vs. Silva: Silva by UD.

I still don't know how you can be so sure that BJ has fixed his conditioning. We have seen him against Pulver where he was in control the whole match and it finished in the second.

Penn was also in control the whole match against Joe Daddy, hurt him off the bell, and finished him in the second.

Penn couldn't sub GSP the first time, so unless he improved his sub game, I am not sure what he would really bring to the table this time around that would be so difference (Not saying that he can't, but just don't think he will this time either). Possibly some improved Takedown D. I will say however that GSP's takedowns have looked better, he has looked quicker, and definitely stronger since their first fight.

I am torn. I would like to see them fight again so that we can see how the "new BJ" and the "new GSP" compare. The only reason I don't care to see it is that even if GSP wins, people will probably discredit GSP because he is a bigger WW, whereas BJ is a "natural LW".

GSP vs Silva would be interesting in the sense that I don't think GSP would stand with Silva for a second. He has to know he would get KO'd. I think that GSP can and would take Silva down. The question is if Silva could submit GSP. I think that Silva's long limbs would pose a problem for GSP on the ground. I would take it at a UD, and would slightly lean towards Silva.

Silva vs Penn? I would take Silva by rd 3 (t)ko or UD. I think that Penn would trade with Silva on the feet, and that would be a bad idea, even for BJ.

[neonatural45]

Penn would take a decision over GSP

Anderson would TKO him in the first

[carbondioxide830]

bj schooled gsp in the first round of their first fight. he just gassed because he didnt train properly, but now that he is, there's no way gsp would beat him again...no way.

i think anderson silva would eventually knock gsp out in either the first or second with his brutal clinch as i doubt if hendo or franklin can stop it, gsp can either.

and since people are talking about this fight now, i actually think penn could take silva down and submit him. thats why i think if theres anyone that's could compete w/ silva as number one p4p, its not gsp or dare i say, fedor, but the prodigy.

[kc56]

Originally Posted by carbondioxide830

bj schooled gsp in the first round of their first fight. he just gassed because he didnt train properly, but now that he is, there's no way gsp would beat him again...no way.

i think anderson silva would eventually knock gsp out in either the first or second with his brutal clinch as i doubt if hendo or franklin can stop it, gsp can either.

and since people are talking about this fight now, i actually think penn could take silva down and submit him. thats why i think if theres anyone that's could compete w/ silva as number one p4p, its not gsp or dare i say, fedor, but the prodigy.

WHY?
Why do I even try?

Rich never tried to take down Silva. Dan tried once and was successful. He held him down the whole round too. GSP is over 80% successful on his career takedown attempts. And against more accomplished wrestlers than Silva.

Everyone seems so content to declare any holes in BJ's game fixed, but as I posed earlier, based on what exactly? Feelings?

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by kc56

Everyone seems so content to declare any holes in BJ's game fixed, but as I posed earlier, based on what exactly? Feelings?

Probably the same subjective perspective that leads people to say GSP has very good standup, that he "outwrestled" anyone, or has been improving in exponentially, etc.

People see what they want to see, perceived reality is reality.


I think BJ has shown up in phenomenal shape for his last two bouts. Thats enough to make an educated guess that he's been working on his cardio. Before he fought Pulver, I postulated that this was a shot at redemption for him, a chance to get his career back on rails, if the loss to Pulver de-railed it years ago. Using different words, BJ has echoed, [or at least not contradicted] that statement. That's enough to indicate, to me anyway, that he's got renewed focus and is systematically working toward achieving goals, rather than relying on natural talent.

Nobody [at least nobody intelligent] is denying BJ's innate skill set. Justifiably, people have questioned his cardio and his willingness to put the work in before the fight...I've seen enough evidence that he's actively addressing both of those issues.

rh

[Palma]

Originally Posted by kc56

WHY?
Why do I even try?

Rich never tried to take down Silva. Dan tried once and was successful. He held him down the whole round too. GSP is over 80% successful on his career takedown attempts. And against more accomplished wrestlers than Silva.

Everyone seems so content to declare any holes in BJ's game fixed, but as I posed earlier, based on what exactly? Feelings?

Yes, you are the only one here who is right... you cannot explain in detail anything about fighting, but of course you are the only one who is right. GSP is the best fighter around, BJ Penn is ok, and Randy Couture is a shitty fighter.

Obviously you are in the minority of people who can watch a Penn fight and not realize (or not recognize) what the big deal is with his talent and ability levels.

[notrightn0w]

GSP-BJ II is a better match.

[scottsec]

How about GSP vs Fitch, GSP vs Alves, GSP v Diego, GSP v Swick, GSP v Davis.....the Anderson talk is just ridiculous when the division he is in has so many good fighters that he hasnt even beat yet.

[carbondioxide830]

Originally Posted by kc56

WHY?
Why do I even try?

Rich never tried to take down Silva. Dan tried once and was successful. He held him down the whole round too. GSP is over 80% successful on his career takedown attempts. And against more accomplished wrestlers than Silva.

Everyone seems so content to declare any holes in BJ's game fixed, but as I posed earlier, based on what exactly? Feelings?

WHY? why must i agree with something i think is retarded? gsp vs. silva is for one, never going to happen, and two, if it did, anderson would knock him out. yea, gsp is the greatest wrestler in the world, olympic style wrestler, blah blah blah...bull shit. he's top 2 or 3 p4p in the world, but i think silva is just on another level standing. if gsp takes him down, unlike bj penn, i dont think he could submit the lanky silva. penn on the other hand is flexiable and could probably catch silva slipping although a penn/silva fight is unlikely. the most likely rematch to take place is penn vs. gsp. penn gassed but correct me if i'm wrong, but hasnt bj said before that his cardio is better than ever? hasnt just about everyone in the mma world said that theres a new and improved bj penn? so no, this isnt based on feeling, but i'm basing it on the facts i see in the octagon. the fact is silva has dominated more so than gsp and in worse fashion. the fact is that bj penn is rededicated himself to training. the fact is as much as people may hate me for saying this, gsp's wrestling can't match up to silva's strikes or the new bj penn's overall game.