Chuck vs Kimbo

[Afro]

[quote=CHUCKtheCHAMP;438790]

Originally Posted by harlemhustla145

how can you say do to technique size and stregnth kimbo will ko chuck...if anything chuck will ko kimbo due to technique...kimbo is an agressive striker(from the bums ive seen him fight) and chuck is a grea counter puncher...style wise chuck has a good chance to ko kimbo...kimbos head movement is a as predictable as couture's head movement...side to side and thats it...and chuck will time him...



so nobody ever has to test there skills in order to prove how good they are??? im sorry but in order for me to see how good a fighters skills are they must be tested...sorry i dont base "facts" off bullshit fights...

ohh and how can you even pull that vitor would have koed chuck bullshit??? by taht style of thought i could say babalu would have subbed chuck if chuck hadnt koed him...or shit nog would have beat fedor if fedor didnt beat him...haha such bullshit!!

I agree to an extent I mean.. a person doesnt necessarily have a lot of punching power unless hes fighting a good striker with a hard head.. but,

Speed doesnt change if ur fighting a different fighter, technique doesnt change..

the only thing unproven in Kimbo's game that you can say well.. he hasnt fought anybody yet to prove that is his accuracy which can change from a different opponent, if hes fighting an opponent with good movement and defense he may not be as accurate as he is now.. or he may be the same who knows?

his punch combos may differ I mean hes got basically sitting targets now, if hes facing a good striker who knows how he'll put his punches together

how he reacts when he gets hit.. havent seen him in trouble yet.. we dont know how good he fights backwards etc..

but thats it.. nothing else changes from opponent to opponent really.. and its not far fetched to assume that Kimbo has power, but I will agree that its untested.. I still dont like the chances of a 205 lb man going up to face a 250 lb man in a standup fight at Chucks age.. Kimbo is only gonna get better on his feet training with Bas anyways.

[CHUCKtheCHAMP]

[quote=Afro;438881]

Originally Posted by CHUCKtheCHAMP

I agree to an extent I mean.. a person doesnt necessarily have a lot of punching power unless hes fighting a good striker with a hard head.. but,

Speed doesnt change if ur fighting a different fighter, technique doesnt change..

the only thing unproven in Kimbo's game that you can say well.. he hasnt fought anybody yet to prove that is his accuracy which can change from a different opponent, if hes fighting an opponent with good movement and defense he may not be as accurate as he is now.. or he may be the same who knows?

his punch combos may differ I mean hes got basically sitting targets now, if hes facing a good striker who knows how he'll put his punches together

how he reacts when he gets hit.. havent seen him in trouble yet.. we dont know how good he fights backwards etc..

but thats it.. nothing else changes from opponent to opponent really.. and its not far fetched to assume that Kimbo has power, but I will agree that its untested.. I still dont like the chances of a 205 lb man going up to face a 250 lb man in a standup fight at Chucks age.. Kimbo is only gonna get better on his feet training with Bas anyways.

for sure...thats wat im trying to say...kimbo does seem to have good technique but his technique has only been show against nobodys and his so called great technique may not be so great against another fighter with good defense and movement...or even a different style then just standing in the pocet like tank...lol

he may not react well to a counter puncher like chuck or somone with power like chuck...thats all ive been trying to say, i think its stupid to assume kimbo can beat a great fighter like chuck off kimbos fights because kimbo hasnt been tested agaisnt any fighter even remotley on chucks level..

once i see how kimbo reacts when he gets hit hard, or how kimbo fights a true striker with hard counters then ill make a judgement on if he can beat chuck or any great fighter fo that matter...but i do agree kimbo will get better with bas...but as you say chuck is getting older...so is kimbo...kimbo is no young man.. in fact i think hes older then chuck...

[Afro]

Well Technique has to do more with your stance, and how you throw your punches though... which can be shown vs a punching bag.. the way you throw your punches and by that I mean do you turn your hands, snap your heads, step with your foot when you jab, pivet your foot properly, keep the right distance with your hooks and jabs, do you pivet properly when you throw your cross, do you move properly with your feet, are you pointing your shoulder when you jab.. etc etc.. that stuff can be shown vs a punching bag.. and Kimbo shows good technique in that degree, as well as good movement.. and really the only reason his movement can be questioned is.. against a great striker we dont know how effective it is.

and ya Kimbo is gettin old too I think hes only 34 though and Chuck is hittin 40 but you gotta factor in how many times Chuck has been hit vs how many times Kimbo has been hit..

im not a Chuck doubter, but im not one of those people who say ahh this guy hasnt fought anyone if he fights a real power puncher he'll get knocked out.. im more on the optimistic side I feel like if a guy hasnt been knocked out yet regardless of comp its a little unfair to question his chin or say he will get knocked out until he has.. ya know? cuz what if Kimbo does have an iron chin.. then Chuck would be in even more trouble.

I dont think Chuck cant win.. I think he can but if I were a betting man, I just think Kimbo being younger, bigger, and he looks to be a good enough striker to be able to handle a fighter whos getting old and is smaller then he is.

Cuz personally I think Kimbo would mop the floor with Jardine, and I think the Jardine fight showed Chucks age.. he came out great vs Wandy, but he'll probably come out a little stale vs Rashad.. cuz trainings gotta be harder for him.. vs Wandy im almost sure the guy dug deep to try and train like a Prime Chuck.. no question in my mind that vs Jardine he trained old. I think he may train old for Rashad too.. theres just not as much hype and anticipation as there was vs Wandy.. he had to dig deep vs Wandy cuz that fight was suppose to happen for years, and hes wanted it for years.. doubt hes gonna have that same thirst for Rashad.. he'll prolly still win but I dont think itll be an impressive win.. and what im saying is were prolly gonna see an up and down Chuck from now on. Im sure if the UFC had a rematch between him and Wandy it would prove that. Chuck had a great career though, definent HOFer and Top 10 all-time.. everyones career has to come to an end.

I know ur prolly feelin the same way about Chuck as I am about Roy Jones Jr =/ it sucks.

[CHUCKtheCHAMP]

Originally Posted by Afro

Well Technique has to do more with your stance, and how you throw your punches though... which can be shown vs a punching bag.. the way you throw your punches and by that I mean do you turn your hands, snap your heads, step with your foot when you jab, pivet your foot properly, keep the right distance with your hooks and jabs, do you pivet properly when you throw your cross, do you move properly with your feet, are you pointing your shoulder when you jab.. etc etc.. that stuff can be shown vs a punching bag.. and Kimbo shows good technique in that degree, as well as good movement.. and really the only reason his movement can be questioned is.. against a great striker we dont know how effective it is.

and ya Kimbo is gettin old too I think hes only 34 though and Chuck is hittin 40 but you gotta factor in how many times Chuck has been hit vs how many times Kimbo has been hit..

im not a Chuck doubter, but im not one of those people who say ahh this guy hasnt fought anyone if he fights a real power puncher he'll get knocked out.. im more on the optimistic side I feel like if a guy hasnt been knocked out yet regardless of comp its a little unfair to question his chin or say he will get knocked out until he has.. ya know? cuz what if Kimbo does have an iron chin.. then Chuck would be in even more trouble.

I dont think Chuck cant win.. I think he can but if I were a betting man, I just think Kimbo being younger, bigger, and he looks to be a good enough striker to be able to handle a fighter whos getting old and is smaller then he is.

Cuz personally I think Kimbo would mop the floor with Jardine, and I think the Jardine fight showed Chucks age.. he came out great vs Wandy, but he'll probably come out a little stale vs Rashad.. cuz trainings gotta be harder for him.. vs Wandy im almost sure the guy dug deep to try and train like a Prime Chuck.. no question in my mind that vs Jardine he trained old. I think he may train old for Rashad too.. theres just not as much hype and anticipation as there was vs Wandy.. he had to dig deep vs Wandy cuz that fight was suppose to happen for years, and hes wanted it for years.. doubt hes gonna have that same thirst for Rashad.. he'll prolly still win but I dont think itll be an impressive win.. and what im saying is were prolly gonna see an up and down Chuck from now on.

i completely understand wat your saying...ive been doing muay thai for over 6 years so i get technique...but technique also has to do with how you use it when you getting hit...kimbo can have great technique agaisnt a bag all day but once he gets tagged by a hard punch or a hard kick(wich kimbo i doubt can deal with) it can all go out the window...you know wat i mean...

like i said, kimbo has shown good technique but his technique under fire is still in question...and chuck would put him under fire for sure... and i dont really think chuck is dumb enough to stand and bang with kimbo, he counters and maybe even take kimbo down...

and i actually disagree with chuck training old for rashad...i think chuck was just in a mentall slump after ramapge and jardine was jsut in the right place at the right time...i think now especially after beating wandy, chucks mentall game is on a high right now and i think he'l be well prepared for rashad and i think he'l ko him...i think chuck wants to make one last great run before he stops fighting and i think hes giving it all hes got...but who knows...maybe even rjj can come back...lets just hope bro...lol

[mean machine]

Chuck would knock Kimbo out whenever he wanted to!

[Dork8503]

Sorry i had to be a dick and pull this thread up.

After tonight if some of you don't change your opinions its just shocking.

[Krellek]

Kimbo looked mediocre tonight, because that's what he is. i like him as a fighter, but come on. after the first round his punches were slow and sloppy. he barely even connected with thompson because he thought to move a little bit. chuck would pick him apart and counter... ALL DAY BABY!!

[Quintessential Studmuffin]

hahahahaha @ some of you.

[scottsec]

I stand by what i said....if Chuck stood and traded punches with Kimbo he would get KTFO. If he took him down he would win...

[Dork8503]

Originally Posted by scottsec

I stand by what i said....if Chuck stood and traded punches with Kimbo he would get KTFO. If he took him down he would win...

How do you figure.

Just because Kimbo is a hw that means he can knock out Chuck, i don't think so.

I am not saying Kimbo can't knock out Chuck. I am just saying i wouldn't bet on it.

Specially seeing how weak of a chin James has an Kimbo couldn't even put him out and James is just fucking horrible.

Chuck is a counter puncher and that would be bad for Kimbo. Kimbo comes forward and Chuck steps back and fires.

Its awesome how a fighter can look like shit against a real shitty fighter an people still think he can beat a top fighter.

Kimbo was 232 for this fight chuck walks around about 220 maybe more so weight really isn't a issue.

Chuck is a good wrestler, much better then James an would take Kimbo down and do what he wanted to him.

I think Chuck would beat him standing too.

Its just funny how many people suck kimbos dick dry an hate on chuck.

I am not bashing Kimbo, i just don't think he can beat Chuck. Kimbo isn't a can an he is doing everything he can to become better but at this point he hasn't done enough to beat Chuck.

Also i love Harlems comments through out this topic, i mean if he held Kimbos cock any tighter it might fall off.

I enjoy watching Kimbo fight, well tonight i didn't but still, you have to respect skill and Chuck is more skilled in every aspect of the game.