Cung Le vs. Lyoto Machida

[leedogg900]

Originally Posted by Palma

What are you basing this on?

im basing it on ive watched both of them fight and thats my personal opinion.

[killerinstinct]

I don't like how everyone's saying that Machida is much bigger than Cung. I mean make no mistake about machida is bigger than Cung, but I wouldn't say much bigger. I mean Machida could very easily make 185 imo.

[Palma]

Originally Posted by leedogg900

im basing it on ive watched both of them fight and thats my personal opinion.

That's cool if it's your opinion, but who has Machida really beat? Soko? Nakamura? Franklin 4 years ago?

Nakamura had always been over rated in my eyes and Soko is only going to bring the standup and Judo so of course Machida is going to sub him.

I know Le hasn't had allot of MMA fights, but he has still KO'd or TKO'd everyone he fought and was a national Champ in Wrestling.

As far as striking, based off both of their fights I don't see how anyone can say Machida is the better striker. If he was then why didn't he try to finish Soko on the feet? If you want to talk about power Machida still hasn't even knocked anyone out.

[leedogg900]

Originally Posted by killerinstinct

I don't like how everyone's saying that Machida is much bigger than Cung. I mean make no mistake about machida is bigger than Cung, but I wouldn't say much bigger. I mean Machida could very easily make 185 imo.

maybe so. but physically machida is much bigger. it says machida is 6'1 but he looked like he had a few inches on soko and soko is 6'0. and i dont know how big cung is but he looks short. machida would have quite the reach advantage. not to mention he has a large body becuase he used to fight at hw.

[leedogg900]

Originally Posted by Palma

That's cool if it's your opinion, but who has Machida really beat? Soko? Nakamura?

Nakamura had always been over rated in my eyes and Soko is only going to bring the standup and Judo so of course Machida is going to sub him.

I know Le hasn't had allot of MMA fights, but he has still KO'd or TKO'd everyone he fought and was a national Champ in Wrestling.

As far as striking, based off both of their fights I don't see how anyone can say Machida is the better striker. If he was then why didn't he try to finish Soko on the feet? If you want to talk about power Machida still hasn't even knocked anyone out.

true. nak was over-rated. and so was soko in my eyes. cung has tko/ko'd everyone he has fought. but be honest, he has fought brittle oppoents taylor made for him who have been tko/ko'd several times.

machida may not have finished anyone but i can tell he has the ability too. his muay thai knees on david heath would have kod almost anyone. and had soko seeing stars after 1 counter punch. maybe he hasnt shown alot of power but he definatly has it, if not in his hands then his knees. and i still think he has more power in his hands, and better hands, then cung. also as crazy as it seems, machidas kicks seem to be more powerful and faster then cung les.

[Palma]

Originally Posted by leedogg900

true. nak was over-rated. and so was soko in my eyes. cung has tko/ko'd everyone he has fought. but be honest, he has fought brittle oppoents taylor made for him who have been tko/ko'd several times.

machida may not have finished anyone but i can tell he has the ability too. his muay thai knees on david heath would have kod almost anyone. and had soko seeing stars after 1 counter punch. maybe he hasnt shown alot of power but he definatly has it, if not in his hands then his knees. and i still think he has more power in his hands, and better hands, then cung. also as crazy as it seems, machidas kicks seem to be more powerful and faster then cung les.

I think everyone has powerful knees, but I guess I just diagree that Machida is a better striker period.

[leedogg900]

Originally Posted by Palma

I think everyone has powerful knees, but I guess I just diagree that Machida is a better striker period.

and im not gonna sit here and say ur wrong. they both have great standup and its a matter of opinion really.

[Harlem]

Originally Posted by leedogg900

i personally dont see cung le as an elite striker. i see him as a good striker. i know he used to be champion at all these different types of fighting, but for mma he really doesnt seem to have any power in his hands. he has pretty good kicks but im not impressed with his boxing at all. and he would be fighting machida who is a much bigger and more experienced fighter. i think machida takes it no problem.

I don't know what fights you've been watching but Cung Le has ended all his fights by KO and avoids any flush punches period. How much head movement, blazing speed, and KOs do you need to see to be convinced?

[leedogg900]

Originally Posted by harlemhustla145

I don't know what fights you've been watching but Cung Le has ended all his fights by KO and avoids any flush punches period. How much head movement, blazing speed, and KOs do you need to see to be convinced?

he hasnt finnished all his fights by ko. he has finished 1 fight by ko. and he hasnt fought anyone id consider to have good standup. and i already mentioend he fights natural 170lbers. once he fights and beats at least 3 opponents i think are good, then u will have a case for cung le. until then i dont think he should ever be mentioned with the elite. he has just not looked impressive to me at all

[Afro]

Originally Posted by leedogg900

im basing it on ive watched both of them fight and thats my personal opinion.

So all the times he came off balance with his hands, and pratically doign nothing with them (The best punch hes ever thrown was in the Soko fight) = he has good hands??

Originally Posted by leedogg900

he hasnt finnished all his fights by ko. he has finished 1 fight by ko. and he hasnt fought anyone id consider to have good standup. and i already mentioend he fights natural 170lbers. once he fights and beats at least 3 opponents i think are good, then u will have a case for cung le. until then i dont think he should ever be mentioned with the elite. he has just not looked impressive to me at all

Dude wth why are you basing someones strikign souly off of what they do in MMA? MMA is not jsut striking, in the world of striking Cung Le has performed on an elite level in AKA, K-1, San Shou, and the World Martial Arts Championships.. what more proof do you need that hes an elite striker? what? on top of all this hes TKO'd every opponent hes faced in MMA on the feet.. so what proof do you have that he is not an elite striker?

if you wanna talk about lack of striking power, look no further then Machida.