Cung Le vs. Lyoto Machida - Page 2

Palma · #11 (**permalink**) 01-10-2008, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by leedogg900

i personally dont see cung le as an elite striker. i see him as a good striker. i know he used to be champion at all these different types of fighting, but for mma he really doesnt seem to have any power in his hands. he has pretty good kicks but im not impressed with his boxing at all. and he would be fighting machida who is a much bigger and more experienced fighter. i think machida takes it no problem.

You're fucking crazy... he is an elite striker. And Machida is far from more experienced.

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Originally Posted by Intellectual

still dont know how great Cung is on the ground. just knowing that, i'll go with Machida via Armbar.

He trained with Dave Camarillo at AKA and even Dave can't sub him. If Camarillo can't I highly doubt Machida can.

Let's break it down. Le is a better striker, a better wrestler, and probably about equal in BJJ and Grappling in terms of defense. Machida is bigger but couldn't finish Penn or even dominate Penn who is 50 pounds lighter. And evnthough Machida is bigger Le is probably still stonger.

Le can win the decision standing and I doubt Machida can take him down. I am going with Le.

leedogg900 · #12 (**permalink**) 01-10-2008, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Afro

nah you dont have 3 bronze medals in San Shou world competition and get reduced to anything less then elite striking. Who the hell has good boxing in MMA? its a short list.

true but there is strikers who r good only because of their power like chuck lidell etc.. cung le's hands arnt that good and he has no power. also his ground game is unknown. this so called elite striker couldnt even finish tony fryklun in 3 rounds on the feet. not to mention all his wins are vs less then reputable fighters, and most of them fight in lower weight classes.

Afro · #13 (**permalink**) 01-10-2008, 01:24 AM

So what if he couldnt finish Tony Fryklund in 3 rounds? lol I dont get this.. is the number of rounds you finish Tony Fryklund in a determining factor of your striking? and what ever happened to finese striking, and im not seeing how a guy who finished all of his fights by TKO can be questioned when it comes to power.. he has KOs in K-1, San Shou, and MMA.. there isnt much facts to backup questioning his power.

leedogg900 · #14 (**permalink**) 01-10-2008, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Afro

So what if he couldnt finish Tony Fryklund in 3 rounds? lol I dont get this.. is the number of rounds you finish Tony Fryklund in a determining factor of your striking? and what ever happened to finese striking, and im not seeing how a guy who finished all of his fights by TKO can be questioned when it comes to power.. he has KOs in K-1, San Shou, and MMA.. there isnt much facts to backup questioning his power.

yeah but look at the guys he finished. low class fighters who can barely keep a .500 record. and most of them are natural 170lbs. wait till he fights some real competition. it will be a rude awakeing for cung le fans let me tell you.

Afro · #15 (**permalink**) 01-10-2008, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by leedogg900

yeah but look at the guys he finished. low class fighters who can barely keep a .500 record. and most of them are natural 170lbs. wait till he fights some real competition. it will be a rude awakeing for cung le fans let me tell you.

So the guys in K-1 and San Shou that he knocked out are less then reputable? and your claiming he has no power so what are you basing this on if all hes done is knock out less then reputable? what fights are you watching and saying damn this guy has no power since hes knocked out everyone hes faced? he hasnt had a decision so what are you basing his lack of power on?

On top of all this, Cung Le was the team captain for USA in the world martial arts championships which incorporates JJ, Judo, etc.. its not like the guy is a one dimensional striker

San Shou kickboxing is wrestling and kickboxing.. Cung Le was known for his great wrestling in San Shou as well as kickboxing.. hes a true martial artist.. the only thing he really lacks is a true BJJ game and experience.

leedogg900 · #16 (**permalink**) 01-10-2008, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Palma

You're fucking crazy... he is an elite striker. And Machida is far from more experienced.

He trained with Dave Camarillo at AKA and even Dave can't sub him. If Camarillo can't I highly doubt Machida can.

Let's break it down. Le is a better striker, a better wrestler, and probably about equal in BJJ and Grappling in terms of defense. Machida is bigger but couldn't finish Penn or even dominate Penn who is 50 pounds lighter. And evnthough Machida is bigger Le is probably still stonger.

Le can win the decision standing and I doubt Machida can take him down. I am going with Le.

machida is more experienced, in mma. machida has fought better opponents too. i think soko would put cung le in a casket. machida handled him easily.

and i dont agree that cung le has better standup. maybe for his weight class but even that i dunno. but compared to a guy much bigger like machida whos a better puncher and has great kicks of own, not to mention a huge reach advantage. i think he has cung le beat at almost every aspect of fighting.

Afro · #17 (**permalink**) 01-10-2008, 01:33 AM

Machida a good puncher? what are you basing that off of!?

and handled Soko easily? dude.. what fight were you watching? the 1st round was a LnP fest where Machida was getting worked on the feet

the 2nd round ended short, and was all Machida but Machida didnt dominate that fight, just the 2nd round.. it was an impressive win no doubt but dont overcredit Machida.. Soko was competitive in that fight for sure.

leedogg900 · #18 (**permalink**) 01-10-2008, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Afro

So the guys in K-1 and San Shou that he knocked out are less then reputable? and your claiming he has no power so what are you basing this on if all hes done is knock out less then reputable? what fights are you watching and saying damn this guy has no power since hes knocked out everyone hes faced? he hasnt had a decision so what are you basing his lack of power on?

On top of all this, Cung Le was the team captain for USA in the world martial arts championships which incorporates JJ, Judo, etc.. its not like the guy is a one dimensional striker

San Shou kickboxing is wrestling and kickboxing.. Cung Le was known for his great wrestling in San Shou as well as kickboxing.. hes a true martial artist.. the only thing he really lacks is a true BJJ game and experience.

im basing he has no power on the fact that ive seen 3 of his mma fights and i can tell just by watching him that he has no power in his hands.
he has power in his feet, but he will never ko anyone with decent standup with one of his kicks. l

ook at the guys hes tkod. sammy no chin morgan, jason "sticks" von flu [by cut], brain "9-10" warren, and tony "im so over-rated" fryklund. his only ko is over mike altman whos 1-5 in mma. the point is he hasnt even faced someone 1/2 decent yet and ppl think he can beat someone like machida? get reall..... machida would put cung le in a casket.

leedogg900 · #19 (**permalink**) 01-10-2008, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Afro

Machida a good puncher? what are you basing that off of!?

and handled Soko easily? dude.. what fight were you watching? the 1st round was a LnP fest where Machida was getting worked on the feet

the 2nd round ended short, and was all Machida but Machida didnt dominate that fight, just the 2nd round.. it was an impressive win no doubt but dont overcredit Machida.. Soko was competitive in that fight for sure.

machida was not getting worked on the feet. soko landed a few grazing shots, nothing substantion. and not at any point did he rock machida. infact if i remember correctly the only clean punch of the round was machidas counter punch that knocked soko to the floor. machida pounced, did some gnp and finished the round strong.

the 2nd round was all machida. i think it was pretty dominating considering soko was suppose to be a top 5 ranked lhw.

Palma · #20 (**permalink**) 01-10-2008, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by leedogg900

machida is more experienced, in mma. machida has fought better opponents too. i think soko would put cung le in a casket. machida handled him easily.

and i dont agree that cung le has better standup. maybe for his weight class but even that i dunno. but compared to a guy much bigger like machida whos a better puncher and has great kicks of own, not to mention a huge reach advantage. i think he has cung le beat at almost every aspect of fighting.

What are you basing this on?