GSP vs. Anderson Silva, both at 185lbs?

[Doggage]

This is like an argument over nothing. You have the Silva lovers vs. the GSP lovers. I love them both and would actually not want to see this fight happen because I would end up being happy and sad at the same time when it was over. I will give my objective opinion, though, while I’m here and all. I would probably bet money that Silva wins because he would have a good reach advantage over GSP. Silva is definitely the better striker, so Silva takes the stand up game with ease. However, I do think GSP could take Silva down at will, but what he could do when it gets to the ground is up in the air. I think it would actually be a close fight if it ever happened. I don’t think GSP would be stupid enough to try and stand with Silva, so I believe it would be a battle of who can execute their game plan more effectively. I think GSP would plan it out like he did for Kos. Take him down, try and control him, land some punches and elbows, and perhaps get a submission. I do think Silva could scramble back to his feet, though, which is why I think it would be such an exciting fight…that never happens of course.

Now for all the people naming 8 fighters or whatever that could beat GSP at MW, that is just retarded and there’s no need for it. First of all it’s MMA in 2007, and everybody still mentions fighters having no chance. I don’t need to repeat what has occurred this year, so I’ll move on. Dork and Palma both mentioned Denis Kang for example, I look at him and I can almost see GSP. He’s about 5’11’’ and fights at 183 right? Basically that’s GSP a week or two before a WW fight. GSP vs. Kang is an amazing fight that I could see either one winning. I also don’t think Silva would have that much of a strength advantage against GSP. People need to be realistic with this type of match up. This fight wouldn’t even happen for at least another year or two even, so think about the improvements that could be made to both fighters. Maybe by then, GSP will have standup that could at least hang with Silva for a little bit, or maybe Silva’s TDD would be as solid as GSPs. That would change the fight greatly. Also, GSP would have plenty of time to prepare for this match, he would easily bulk up and come in to that fight in phenomenal MW shape. I still think Silva takes the fight, but people need to not just hate GSP, and give him some respect like someone else on here posted. He dethroned the greatest WW in UFC history, beat Penn who originally dethroned Hughes, and destroyed Trigg and Sherk, who then went on to LW and is still champ. Silva will be MW champ for awhile, and I think he’s a ridiculously dangerous dude. GSP will get the WW title back, and hopefully have a similar reign to the one Silva is currently riding high on. Much respect too both fighters. That is all.

[Dork8503]

Originally Posted by Doggage

This is like an argument over nothing. You have the Silva lovers vs. the GSP lovers. I love them both and would actually not want to see this fight happen because I would end up being happy and sad at the same time when it was over. I will give my objective opinion, though, while I’m here and all. I would probably bet money that Silva wins because he would have a good reach advantage over GSP. Silva is definitely the better striker, so Silva takes the stand up game with ease. However, I do think GSP could take Silva down at will, but what he could do when it gets to the ground is up in the air. I think it would actually be a close fight if it ever happened. I don’t think GSP would be stupid enough to try and stand with Silva, so I believe it would be a battle of who can execute their game plan more effectively. I think GSP would plan it out like he did for Kos. Take him down, try and control him, land some punches and elbows, and perhaps get a submission. I do think Silva could scramble back to his feet, though, which is why I think it would be such an exciting fight…that never happens of course.

Now for all the people naming 8 fighters or whatever that could beat GSP at MW, that is just retarded and there’s no need for it. First of all it’s MMA in 2007, and everybody still mentions fighters having no chance. I don’t need to repeat what has occurred this year, so I’ll move on. Dork and Palma both mentioned Denis Kang for example, I look at him and I can almost see GSP. He’s about 5’11’’ and fights at 183 right? Basically that’s GSP a week or two before a WW fight. GSP vs. Kang is an amazing fight that I could see either one winning. I also don’t think Silva would have that much of a strength advantage against GSP. People need to be realistic with this type of match up. This fight wouldn’t even happen for at least another year or two even, so think about the improvements that could be made to both fighters. Maybe by then, GSP will have standup that could at least hang with Silva for a little bit, or maybe Silva’s TDD would be as solid as GSPs. That would change the fight greatly. Also, GSP would have plenty of time to prepare for this match, he would easily bulk up and come in to that fight in phenomenal MW shape. I still think Silva takes the fight, but people need to not just hate GSP, and give him some respect like someone else on here posted. He dethroned the greatest WW in UFC history, beat Penn who originally dethroned Hughes, and destroyed Trigg and Sherk, who then went on to LW and is still champ. Silva will be MW champ for awhile, and I think he’s a ridiculously dangerous dude. GSP will get the WW title back, and hopefully have a similar reign to the one Silva is currently riding high on. Much respect too both fighters. That is all.

Um GSP never beat Penn, Penn was robbed in that fight.

Sure he beat Hughes but Hughes is only a wrestler who has no stand up. Hughes is the greatest but time has passed him bye.

Um again Frank Trigg got his fucking ass handed to him by a lw Mach. So beating Trigg is nothing impressive.

GSP will never have the stand up to compete with Silva standing.

I do give GSP respect but people on here need to not hug his balls so tight it is making them go blind.

Again GSP dethroned Hughes the greatest WW but um in case you forgot Hughes is not Silva and this isn't WW.

GSP won't be as fast or strong at mw as he is at ww.

GSP will be in serious trouble first time he can't out muscle someone.

His skills will be their but not as good as they were at mw.

Now for all the people naming 8 fighters or whatever that could beat GSP at MW, that is just retarded and there’s no need for it.

So are you saying thats retarded because GSP can't be beaten by 8.

Well I would pick 10-11 MW's over him any day any fight any time.


Who has GSP thats well rounded that he beat. NO ONE.

Don't say Penn cuz he didn't beat penn.

Trigg can't defend subs,

Hughes has shit for stand up

Serra knocked him out

Any Mw will hurt him with power.

I think Fitch beats him at WW

[orion_damage]

Originally Posted by Ramma

GSP via TKO... I think GSP is better than Silva.. plain and simple. Silva has great knees, good striking (his knees make his striking, not his kicks or punches (not that those are awful by any means)), and BJJ black belt or not, good (not great) BJJ.

GSP comes in with great game plans and studies his opponent. GSP is good at finding his range and I think if Silva tried to clinch GSP Silva would end up on his back with GSP working his magic.

I am not saying GSP is so far above Silva, but I think he is a much smarter fighter. I also think Silva will come in cocky and GSP will come in ready and focused. GSP by TKO in the 2nd.

I am probably going to get slammed for my opinion, but it is my opinion. The truth is, everyone considers Anderson Silva to be the new Fedor (simply because he beat Franklin for the second time, in a less devestating fashion no less). Anderson is the king of the smallest division in MMA. I am not trying to discredit him. He is an AMAZING fighter.. but it doesn't change the fact that he rules over the least stacked division in MMA.


maybe he is a top ten P4P.. but is he #1? No.

Agreed, brings a few things to light.

[playuntiltheskyisblack]

Dorks whole arguement is the entire reason why I hate comparing two different weightclasses and interclass fights. You can't seriously argue the two fighters unless there were SERIOUS talk of either switching.

And Dork, I agree with most (not all) of what you said, so I'm not bashing anything you've said.

I do have to pick Anderson just because he's a monster. GSP will give him a go though. I don't think it'll be a first rounder like some others have said already, and even though he's my boy, I'm still picking The Spider.

There's so many variables when switching classes that to pick argueabley the two best in two divisions and say that either would totally and utterly domninate the other is kind of outlandish.

[twankydawg]

Anderson is excellent standing and on the ground, GSP is good standing, decent on the ground, Anderson is just flat out the better fighter. If Franklin couldn't last against Anderson, I don't see GSP being able to do much better because I believe Rich is as good a fighter as GSP is and Anderson is head and shoulders above them both.

And Doggage, the Buckeyes are going to get owned if they end playing an SEC team! GEAUX TIGERS!!!

[Palma]

Originally Posted by Doggage

This is like an argument over nothing. You have the Silva lovers vs. the GSP lovers. I love them both and would actually not want to see this fight happen because I would end up being happy and sad at the same time when it was over. I will give my objective opinion, though, while I’m here and all. I would probably bet money that Silva wins because he would have a good reach advantage over GSP. Silva is definitely the better striker, so Silva takes the stand up game with ease. However, I do think GSP could take Silva down at will, but what he could do when it gets to the ground is up in the air. I think it would actually be a close fight if it ever happened. I don’t think GSP would be stupid enough to try and stand with Silva, so I believe it would be a battle of who can execute their game plan more effectively. I think GSP would plan it out like he did for Kos. Take him down, try and control him, land some punches and elbows, and perhaps get a submission. I do think Silva could scramble back to his feet, though, which is why I think it would be such an exciting fight…that never happens of course.

Now for all the people naming 8 fighters or whatever that could beat GSP at MW, that is just retarded and there’s no need for it. First of all it’s MMA in 2007, and everybody still mentions fighters having no chance. I don’t need to repeat what has occurred this year, so I’ll move on. Dork and Palma both mentioned Denis Kang for example, I look at him and I can almost see GSP. He’s about 5’11’’ and fights at 183 right? Basically that’s GSP a week or two before a WW fight. GSP vs. Kang is an amazing fight that I could see either one winning. I also don’t think Silva would have that much of a strength advantage against GSP. People need to be realistic with this type of match up. This fight wouldn’t even happen for at least another year or two even, so think about the improvements that could be made to both fighters. Maybe by then, GSP will have standup that could at least hang with Silva for a little bit, or maybe Silva’s TDD would be as solid as GSPs. That would change the fight greatly. Also, GSP would have plenty of time to prepare for this match, he would easily bulk up and come in to that fight in phenomenal MW shape. I still think Silva takes the fight, but people need to not just hate GSP, and give him some respect like someone else on here posted. He dethroned the greatest WW in UFC history, beat Penn who originally dethroned Hughes, and destroyed Trigg and Sherk, who then went on to LW and is still champ. Silva will be MW champ for awhile, and I think he’s a ridiculously dangerous dude. GSP will get the WW title back, and hopefully have a similar reign to the one Silva is currently riding high on. Much respect too both fighters. That is all.

GSP couldn't submit Koscheck, how is he going to submit a BJJ Blackbelt?

We were answering the question from another poster on what 8 MWs could beat GSP... maybe you should actually read people's posts.

That's the dumbest argument for discarding a matchup... now everyone will use this past year anytime there is a mismatch and a fighter is not expected to win. There is a reason they are called upsets.

People need to be realistic about matchups in the dream matches forum?

Maybe GSP nutthuggers need to stop sucking his cock and realize he is very over rated.

Yor forgot to mention when Serra destroyed GSP in the first round of his only title defense.

Originally Posted by playuntiltheskyisblack

Dorks whole arguement is the entire reason why I hate comparing two different weightclasses and interclass fights. You can't seriously argue the two fighters unless there were SERIOUS talk of either switching.

And Dork, I agree with most (not all) of what you said, so I'm not bashing anything you've said.

I do have to pick Anderson just because he's a monster. GSP will give him a go though. I don't think it'll be a first rounder like some others have said already, and even though he's my boy, I'm still picking The Spider.

There's so many variables when switching classes that to pick argueabley the two best in two divisions and say that either would totally and utterly domninate the other is kind of outlandish.

GSP has said numerous times that when he becomes champ in the WW division and if he defends his title against all the WW fighters he wants to fight that he will move up to MW, so I don't see how the scenario is that far fetched...

Besides, you do realize this is the dream matches forum, where the basic idea is to create improbable matchups so we can debate about them?

And are weight classes the only thing to consider in a hypatheical match up? Even if that were the case then a larger opponent who has been dominating his division should have no problem fighting a smaller fighter that has been incosistent at best this past year. But it really just comes down to GSP can't deal with a striker of SIlva's level standing or Silva's level of BJJ on the ground. All GSP has in this fight is better wrestling and that wouldn't to be the difference maker for very long before Silva finds a way to finish him.

[Donny77]

Originally Posted by jkilla374

Silva by sub round 1. GSP's game plan would be to take down Silva and sub him. GSP gets Silva down and tries to pound him out, but gets caught. Keep in mind Silva is a BJJ blackbelt.

Kep in mind Miller orPenn couldnt sub GSP. And when Hughes subbed him it was a fuke as GSP thought time would expire so he went for a kimura.

[AJL416AZ]

lol at Silva lovers vs GSP lovers

there are intelligent people, and GSP's deluded nuthuggers

GSP is about 5'10 or 5'11, and supposedly cuts water from 185 on the last few days to make 170, and judging by that, i would suppose he weighs at least 195 before dieting some weight away.
Anderson is 6'2, and in a recent interview, said he walks around at around 213 lbs, without a training camp, dieting, or cutting weight.

now in Anderson's recent fights, he tooled two BJJ black belts, Rich Franklin twice, and Chris Leben. all of those guys are bigger than GSP


2 fights ago, GSP just got knocked out by a guy who's 5'6", 9-4 in MMA, who had never had a title shot before. i think Serra is legit, but on paper, its a fucking embarrasment. an unranked guy who was semi-retired for a few years, comes and KOs the number 1 in humiliating fashion.
not because he undertrained or was hurt. he was perfectly healthy during the fight, he didnt gas out, or anything. he just got knocked out like a bitch, real talk.

i love GSP too, but to be truly convinced he can win, not just playing devil's advocate or listing ways he could, is complete delusion.
you cant make a reasonable statement on how GSP has a superior skillset, and hes smaller and shorter. what the fuck.

Anderson would lay him the fuck out, or submit him. within 2 rounds

[dan the man 67]

Originally Posted by Dork8503

Don't say Penn cuz he didn't beat penn.

Dude, get over it. He beat Penn. Just like I had to reluctantly agree that Serra beat GSP. (because I believe it was an illegal blow to the back of the head) GSP would beat Penn again.

Well rounded fighters? How about Karo? Is he not pretty well rounded? And I love how you just glaze over Matt Hughes. He was the most dominant WW in MMA history, yet he "has shit for standup". What kind of BS is that?

As much as you people think that us "GSP nuthuggers" over exaggerate how good he is, you people, on the flip side, like to under-exaggerate how good he is. I am man enough to say that the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle.

[Afro]

Originally Posted by dan the man 67

Dude, get over it. He beat Penn. Just like I had to reluctantly agree that Serra beat GSP. (because I believe it was an illegal blow to the back of the head) GSP would beat Penn again.

Well rounded fighters? How about Karo? Is he not pretty well rounded? And I love how you just glaze over Matt Hughes. He was the most dominant WW in MMA history, yet he "has shit for standup". What kind of BS is that?

As much as you people think that us "GSP nuthuggers" over exaggerate how good he is, you people, on the flip side, like to under-exaggerate how good he is. I am man enough to say that the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle.

Karo isnt well rounded

What kind of BS is that? Matt Hughes has SHIT for standup! again, show me some Matt Hughes Standup that isnt shit.. being the most Dominate WW of all time.. which he is, doesnt mean he has great standup.. he was dominate because of his powerful wrestling I hope you can comprehend that.

And Ya GSP beat Penn according to the Judges, dont get all emotional because many share a different opinion.