GSP vs. Anderson Silva, both at 185lbs?

[Steve88]

fans in general.
i wanna punch most of my friends for shit like "oh gsp could bang with anybody"

[ninjastix]

Originally Posted by Steve88

fans in general.
i wanna punch most of my friends for shit like "oh gsp could bang with anybody"

if you get rid of the "with" it's a fairly accurate statement...

[Steve88]

Originally Posted by ninjastix

if you get rid of the "with" it's a fairly accurate statement...

lol. repped for making me laugh

[Palma]

Originally Posted by ninjastix

Man do I love your replies... I disagreed with you, I didn't try and throw you under the bus...

I just find it funny that back when GSP was using his striking predominantly, there were all these questions about his ability to work his ground game, and now that he's gone wrestling/grappling heavy, now there's questions about his striking...

I'm not accusing you of anything, if you feel his striking is over-rated... cool... but how so? I'm certainly not claiming he's god's gift to striking... so who's doing the over-rating? Fans in general? Journalists?

GSP was striking with mostly grapplers... Penn was the first (and only) real striker he has yet to face and Penn made him look like shit. The welter weight division is void of some serious strikers for what ever reason.

And my original post was from way back when so it's not accurate to say that now there is questions about his striking as if I just wrote the post yesterday.

GSP's striking is overrated because he has no head movement, bad footwork, he needs to keep his opponents far away enough to be an effective striker, he has bad defense, he doesn't keep his hands up all the time.

GSP's striking is good becauce he has power from many different angles and he is fast with his hlk's and his sbk's.

And people of this forum overrate his standup...

Any other post from 6 months ago you want clarification on?

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by ninjastix

I just find it funny that back when GSP was using his striking predominantly, there were all these questions about his ability to work his ground game, and now that he's gone wrestling/grappling heavy, now there's questions about his striking...

I'm not accusing you of anything, if you feel his striking is over-rated... cool... but how so? I'm certainly not claiming he's god's gift to striking... so who's doing the over-rating? Fans in general? Journalists?

Fans for sure. I don't see a lot of credible journalists overrating him, but I disregard a lot of stuff I read.

I think anyone who saw his jab against Serra and felt that would work against Silva is overlooking the fact that Serra was giving up 5 odd inches of reach...GSP would be the one giving up the reach if he was to stand with Silva. That's what immediately comes to mind when I think of over-rated.

GSP is improving. By the time he sorts out the WW mess, he might be ready to stand with a bigger striker. But I think BJ will have gone through the LW's first, and will be stepping up to challenge him at WW.

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[fishy]

[quote=Palma;443141]GSP was striking with mostly grapplers... Penn was the first (and only) real striker he has yet to face and Penn made him look like shit. The welter weight division is void of some serious strikers for what ever reason.

[quote=Palma;443141]GSP's striking is overrated because he has no head movement, bad footwork, he needs to keep his opponents far away enough to be an effective striker, he has bad defense, he doesn't keep his hands up all the time.

go watch the fight again...bj didnt make gsp look like shit...for the time they were standing it was pretty even with gsp landing "cleaner" shots

and gsp has amazing footwork (as i posted before) he can move in and out side to side..always on his toes and very light on his feet which is why he is very quick and can throw shots with his legs and hands in all angles and directions..the only problem with his stand up is his defence which he acknowledges and am sure is improving upon...his stand up is not overrated there are some things that need to be improved but over all he is a great striker because he can mix up everything up better than any other mma fighter i have seen....

in terms of anderson silva ....silva has him beat on the stand up and ground so i dont see him losing this fight

[azur_dog]

I think at 185 silva has too much of a strength advantage and this fight ends with GSP KTFOed by a knee w/o being remotely competitive. Besides for GSP to fight at 185 I think he has to add to much muscle to still be quick which is his one of his strengths at 170. Now at a 175 or 178 (Silva has fought at 175 before @ ROTR) catch weight fight I think this fight is a little closer, but Silva still wins because unless GSP can straight up molest him with takedowns and ground control, anderson tears him up on his feat, the same way he did to Hendo.

[fishy]

Originally Posted by azur_dog

I think at 185 silva has too much of a strength advantage and this fight ends with GSP KTFOed by a knee w/o being remotely competitive. Besides for GSP to fight at 185 I think he has to add to much muscle to still be quick which is his one of his strengths at 170. Now at a 175 or 178 (Silva has fought at 175 before @ ROTR) catch weight fight I think this fight is a little closer, but Silva still wins because unless GSP can straight up molest him with takedowns and ground control, anderson tears him up on his feat, the same way he did to Hendo.

i think joe rogan was talking about how gsp walks around naturally at about 185 anyway so he really wouldnt have to gain any weight and probably will not lose too much speed but since silva is a bigger dude then strenght advantage definitely goes to him...

the question here is will gsp be able to GNP silva? thats the only way i see gsp standing a chance and the only way i see the fight going...if gsp can use his wrestling to get silva on his back and not get caught in a submission than he has the fight won imo

[scottsec]

Silva would stomp GSP. Look at what he did to Franklin.

[Palma]

Originally Posted by fishy

go watch the fight again...bj didnt make gsp look like shit...for the time they were standing it was pretty even with gsp landing "cleaner" shots

and gsp has amazing footwork (as i posted before) he can move in and out side to side..always on his toes and very light on his feet which is why he is very quick and can throw shots with his legs and hands in all angles and directions..the only problem with his stand up is his defence which he acknowledges and am sure is improving upon...his stand up is not overrated there are some things that need to be improved but over all he is a great striker because he can mix up everything up better than any other mma fighter i have seen....

in terms of anderson silva ....silva has him beat on the stand up and ground so i dont see him losing this fight

I've watched the litterally over a dozen times... GSP never landed one clean shot besides leg kicks. Maybe you should watch the fight again. And it wasn't even close to even... Penn fucked him up standing, period. GSP didn't just try and take the fight to the ground because the standing was even... he did it to avoid more damage.

I think you need to watch more MMA is you think GSP can mix everything up better then any other MMA fighter.