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Old 04-22-2008, 03:43 AM
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I think Silva mops the floor with GSP.
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I will bet anyone that if this fight happens GSP walks away the winner and holder of two titles at once. I beleive it would be better to have it at 185 than at 170 and GSP expressed interest previously at moving up. He will have to get through Fitch first but other than that the only fighter I think that can beat GSP is BJ Penn (as long as BJ is prepared in his conditioning). The only reason he lost the last time was because he gassed.
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i love gsp i really do but... silva is just such a horrible fucking matchup for him

gsp needs to stay at 170 and give up the moving weight classes garbage or i'll have a goddamn stroke when he gets completely dismantled by silva
repped for telling it like it is. anderson would not let gsp get the take down with out at punishing him first. and for reference i dont think its a good idea for "gsp to circle and jab long enough to get the take down." especially since anderson has major reach on him, laser accurate hands, and has been know to rock people with his jab alone. Id say the only way he would get the take down is if he got into andersons face, closed the distance and preyed that he doesnt eat something nasty. and that being said i dont think gsp could keep it up for 5 rounds without getting koed or subbed and i strongly do not think that gsp can finish anderson standing or on the ground. If it was only a 3 round fight i would give gsp like a 25% chance of winning if i was feeling generous but in a 5 round fight im just not feeling it
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They need to make this happen before GSP-Fitch. I know Fitch is the #1 contender and he should get his title shot, but this would be awesome to see. I would rather see this than Silva-Okami and Fitch-GSP combined.
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Now are these two fighters equal in MMA skill, cardio, strength? I would say in their respective weight classes... yes!
I would catagorically say no. They aren't.

It was very nice to see the emergence of GSP's jab, but that's not fixing all the holes in his game. Silva can end the fight standing or on the ground, from either submissions or strikes. GSP can end the fight on the ground. That's not even remotely equal.

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So does GSP have a real chance to beat Silva at 185lbs? Not a punchers chance, but a real legit chance at winning this fight? Or does GSP's performance suffer fighting at a heavier weight? Would GSP still be quick enough to get those take downs to control the fight? Or would the long arms and missile like strikes of Silva be too much for GSP to deal with?
I think it's important to realize that GSP has never fought an elite fighter who is bigger than him. He's never fought a focused and in-shape elite striker. He'd be facing both of them combined in Anderson.

Anderson has dismantled big strikers, BJJ experts and better grapplers than GSP. Georges simply has nothing to offer that he hasn't seen before.

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i love gsp i really do but... silva is just such a horrible fucking matchup for him

gsp needs to stay at 170 and give up the moving weight classes garbage or i'll have a goddamn stroke when he gets completely dismantled by silva
Great post. I also think people are overlooking the depth in the WW division. There are a ton of great tests left at 170; GSP hasn't even [successfully] defended the title, never mind cleared out the division. There are at least 4 fights that should happen before he considers moving up in weight class, unless he want's to forfeit the belt.

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I think it'd be a bad fight for GSP. His size, strength, and speed advantages would be nullified by Anderson. His wrestling ability, while stellar, doesn't guarantee him a submission attempt. We saw in Kos vs. GSP that GSP can be stuck in place and have his submissions stopped. Silva stopped Lutter who has pretty solid BJJ (some might even say Micheal Jordanesque ) from finishing a submission with a busted up leg, none the less. Silva also would punish GSP for any missed shoot ins, which is something that GSP has yet to face. Sure he took down Serra, Kos, and Hughes at will, but those guys don't have the brutalizing knee strikes and clinch fighting experience that Silva has. Silva also has better knockout power and has so far shown how concrete his nerves can be. He has also successfully defended his title.
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GSP's biggest advantage is the competition he gets to face. Anderson Silva's division is weak and mostly consist of three really good guys and a handful of decent fighters. GSP has to work and adapt for all of his fights where Silva seems to get by just doing what he does best. As odd as it sounds it seems like that could work in GSP's favor.
I disagree that Anderson's division is weak...I just think he's more comfortable wherever the fight goes. If he needs to stand, he stands among the best; if it goes to the ground, he's just as comfortable. Silva is talented enough to make very good fighters look pedestrian, and great fighters look good-at-best.

I think GSP has needed to adapt to his competition more because he doesn't have the complete skill set yet. But I think a lot of people--certainly detractors and even his fans--are overlooking the fact that GSP is still developing and is pretty young. Given time, he can develop a more complete standup game and answer a lot of questions.

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They need to make this happen before GSP-Fitch. I know Fitch is the #1 contender and he should get his title shot, but this would be awesome to see. I would rather see this than Silva-Okami and Fitch-GSP combined.
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Seriously? That's just crazy talk.

Regardless of what you'd like to see, GSP hasn't even successfully defended his WW title--he's done absolutely nothing to earn a title shot at LHW yet. Skipping over very valid contenders to justify a superfight [one that would be short and very one-sided] is a horrible idea.

Currently, Silva will get the chance to avenge his last loss in Okami and probably a rematch with Henderson. Henderson says he wasn't 100% and I agree with him; although I'd still take Silva 7 out of 10 in a rematch.

GSP needs to at least try to sort out the mess the WW division is in. Fitch has more than earned a shot. Serra and Hughes could very well set up rubber match for Serra--although not if he fights the way he did Saturday. Sanchez, Alves, Parisyan, Swick and Davis all represent great fights with GSP and an opportunity to develop and showcase skills before he jumps into the shark tank at LHW.

But minimally, Fitch has done more to earn a WW title shot than GSP has done to earn a LHW title shot.

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This would be a bad match-up for GSP and bad for the UFC as well.




I doubt if GSP can even pass Hendo.
Even pass Hendo?
You make it seem as though GSP has a chance against Hendo...
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It's not that it's nothing, it's that his striking has become completely over rated and is certainly a mismatch against Silva's standup.

I'm going with Silva via brutal first round KO...

I disagree that it's "over-rated", Gsp's striking is good... the second part of that statement is right on the money though...

Even though GSP has the ability, should he pursue, to out strike many welterweights, based on previous fights of both fighters I think it's fairly obvious that Silva's striking is on a completely different level...

You can assume several things:

1. Anderson is going to be comfortable wherever the fight should go
2. Gsp is going to look to take the fight down
3. Both fighters are smart, in good shape, and have fought top level competition

I don't think conditioning enters into it, I don't think either guy is going to get tired. I think Gsp's best chance of winning is to lock in a submission on Silva or scoring on GnP...

but... to me that's a long shot... it's the path of least resistance to assume that Silva can catch Gsp...

Either way... and you can quote me on this... I do NOT see this fight happening anytime in the next 2 or 3 years.
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From the way Silva has been dominating everyone and anyone that fights him, I'd have to go with Silva most likely by TKO. When it comes down to it though I will be routing for GSP the entire time. Not that GSP doesnt have a good chance in beating him, I just dont see Silva losing a fight for a long time.
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I disagree that it's "over-rated", Gsp's striking is good... the second part of that statement is right on the money though...

Even though GSP has the ability, should he pursue, to out strike many welterweights, based on previous fights of both fighters I think it's fairly obvious that Silva's striking is on a completely different level...

You can assume several things:

1. Anderson is going to be comfortable wherever the fight should go
2. Gsp is going to look to take the fight down
3. Both fighters are smart, in good shape, and have fought top level competition

I don't think conditioning enters into it, I don't think either guy is going to get tired. I think Gsp's best chance of winning is to lock in a submission on Silva or scoring on GnP...

but... to me that's a long shot... it's the path of least resistance to assume that Silva can catch Gsp...

Either way... and you can quote me on this... I do NOT see this fight happening anytime in the next 2 or 3 years.
You are taking a post of mine from 6 months ago and completely taking it out of context.

I was replying to a post where someone said we were giving GSP no credit for his standup and referred to it as "nothing". I never said GSP didn't have good standup... I said it was overrated... you can be overrated and good.

And I stick by my post from half a year ago that his standup is overrated. He still hasn't stood and traded with anyone since he got KO'd by Serra. I'm sure he could outstrike Hughes, but he did not want to deal with Kos or Serra standing and neither could hold a candle to Anderson Silva.
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You are taking a post of mine from 6 months ago and completely taking it out of context.

Man do I love your replies... I disagreed with you, I didn't try and throw you under the bus...

I just find it funny that back when GSP was using his striking predominantly, there were all these questions about his ability to work his ground game, and now that he's gone wrestling/grappling heavy, now there's questions about his striking...

I'm not accusing you of anything, if you feel his striking is over-rated... cool... but how so? I'm certainly not claiming he's god's gift to striking... so who's doing the over-rating? Fans in general? Journalists?
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