GSP vs. Anderson Silva, both at 185lbs?

[kyle]

gsp takes him down and pounds him out in the second
gsp not going to stand with him george can prolly takedown under 205

[Dork8503]

Originally Posted by Ramma

GSP via TKO... I think GSP is better than Silva.. plain and simple. Silva has great knees, good striking (his knees make his striking, not his kicks or punches), and BJJ black belt or not, good (not great) BJJ.

GSP comes in with great game plans and studies his opponent. GSP is good at finding his range and I think if Silva tried to clinch GSP Silva would end up on his back with GSP working his magic.

I am not saying GSP is so far above Silva, but I think he is a much smarter fighter. I also think Silva will come in cocky and GSP will come in ready and focused. GSP by TKO in the 2nd.

I am probably going to get slammed for my opinion, but it is my opinion. The truth is, everyone considers Anderson Silva to be the new Fedor (simply because he beat Franklin for the second time, in a less devestating fashion no less). Anderson is the king of the smallest division in MMA. I am not trying to discredit him. He is an AMAZING fighter.. but it doesn't change the fact that he rules over the least stacked division in MMA.


maybe he is a top ten P4P.. but is he #1? No.

LOL is all i have to say about that.

Anderson has a solid ass chin.

Anderson is in the top 3 strikers in MMA.

When does Anderson ever come in cocky an underestimate someone, that is what GSP does.

Fact is GSP can not stand with Anderson plain an simple. I don't care how good his kicks are, how fast he is, or how good of a striker people think he is. Anderson will knock him out.

Take the knees away from Anderson what does he have, he still has amazing fast accurate punches that seem to find his mark every time he throws them.

Look at what Serra did to GSP, an don't pull that shit GSP just got caught shit either. Anderson is a much better striker who is also much faster then Serra, when Serra his GSP that one time, Anderson would have already hit him 4 or 5 times an with 3 knees and a kick.

You say Anderson isn't great at BJJ or whatever. But what is GSP great at, if anyone says striking i will fall over laughing. His wrestling is good, his take down d is the best weapon he has, his striking is good and his bjj is good.

Anderson has better kicks, punches, knees, elbows, bjj. GSP has a wrestling advantage over Anderson, that is it. Anderson is taller, bigger and stronger.

Yeah gsp takes him down an then does what. Nate M is light years ahead of GSP on the ground an coudlnt do anything to Anderson. Anderson got up and knocked him out.

Anderson will knock out GSP.

GSP looks good against people he can man handle or who he is bigger then. Let him fight someone for once who is bigger and stronger an see what he does then.

Also Anderson gets GSP in the clinch, GSP goes to sleep like Franklin did.

I for one to not think Anderson is p4p the best.

Also Anderson has gotten better since his loss to Chonnan.

Oh this is the part that i found funny, GSP working his magic, what magic would that be. Would that be the magic that allowed him to submit Koscheck who has very little bjj skills. Oh thats right he didn't sub Kos.

Anderson's ground game is alot better then Koscheck.


I normally agree with most of your posts, but this post imo is just way out their.

Anderson does rule the mw division, but GSP can't even rule WW yet he is going to be the MW champion.

GSP is a very good fighter but Anderson is the better fighter, an the smarter fighter.

This is one fight were GSP is the smaller fighter, and is out matched.

[dofking]

GSP jumps in pocket with minimal headmovement works up a combo and jumps out.

They circle around abit.

GSP jumps in pocket and meets a right hand from silva followed by more punches, elbows and knees.

[dan the man 67]

Originally Posted by Dork8503

Anderson has better kicks, punches, knees, elbows, bjj. GSP has a wrestling advantage over Anderson, that is it. Anderson is taller, bigger and stronger.

I don't know about that.

I would say GSP has better kicks, punches, and elbows. Silva's great in the clinch, and delivering knees, but that's about the only part of his standup that stands out to me. I'd say they are about equal in accuracy and efficiency.

Don't underestimate GSP's new direction and focus he is getting from training with Jackson. We've only seen 1 fight since that change, and what I saw, I was very impressed with. He came in and took care of business very effectively. He had a great game plan, and he executed it extremely well.

Also, GSP is a very big WW - I think he would fill out at 185 rather well, and would be bigger and much stronger than Silva. I'd even say that at 185, GSP would be bigger and stronger than Franklin, yet GSP is much more skilled.

[billwilliams70]

Originally Posted by Dork8503

Anderson by knockout, most likely second round because GSP will take him down lay on top of him, and it will take Anderson prob the most of the first round to figure GSP out then second round GSP goes to sleep.

Ditto.

Later.

[Dork8503]

Originally Posted by dan the man 67

I don't know about that.

I would say GSP has better kicks, punches, and elbows. Silva's great in the clinch, and delivering knees, but that's about the only part of his standup that stands out to me. I'd say they are about equal in accuracy and efficiency.

Don't underestimate GSP's new direction and focus he is getting from training with Jackson. We've only seen 1 fight since that change, and what I saw, I was very impressed with. He came in and took care of business very effectively. He had a great game plan, and he executed it extremely well.

Also, GSP is a very big WW - I think he would fill out at 185 rather well, and would be bigger and much stronger than Silva. I'd even say that at 185, GSP would be bigger and stronger than Franklin, yet GSP is much more skilled.

Are you saying GSP is bigger an stronger then Franklin, if you are that is very laughable. Seeing Rich cuts from about 220-230. Franklin is bigger, taller, and Stronger.

GSP said he cuts from about 190, Anderson cuts from over 200lbs.

Franklin is a huge MW and was man handled.

Never mind i forgot who's post i was reading for a minute.

Anything you say about GSP vs another fighter does not count.

Anderson is by far the SUPERIOR striker.

GSP is in the same boat as Franklin good at alot of things but not great at anything.

And yes i think Franklin would knock out GSP too.

outside of Anderson, Franklin, GSP would fair well well maybe Nate M too.

GSP wouldn't even strike with Kos in that fight, go back an watch that 3rd round, i believe Kos blasted GSP one good time an it looked like it rocked him.

Like someone else said GSP has little to no head movement and would get lit up faster then a joint at a doobie brothers concert.

[Ramma]

Originally Posted by Dork8503

LOL is all i have to say about that.

Anderson has a solid ass chin.

Anderson is in the top 3 strikers in MMA.

When does Anderson ever come in cocky an underestimate someone, that is what GSP does.

Fact is GSP can not stand with Anderson plain an simple. I don't care how good his kicks are, how fast he is, or how good of a striker people think he is. Anderson will knock him out.

Take the knees away from Anderson what does he have, he still has amazing fast accurate punches that seem to find his mark every time he throws them.

Look at what Serra did to GSP, an don't pull that shit GSP just got caught shit either. Anderson is a much better striker who is also much faster then Serra, when Serra his GSP that one time, Anderson would have already hit him 4 or 5 times an with 3 knees and a kick.

You say Anderson isn't great at BJJ or whatever. But what is GSP great at, if anyone says striking i will fall over laughing. His wrestling is good, his take down d is the best weapon he has, his striking is good and his bjj is good.

Anderson has better kicks, punches, knees, elbows, bjj. GSP has a wrestling advantage over Anderson, that is it. Anderson is taller, bigger and stronger.

Yeah gsp takes him down an then does what. Nate M is light years ahead of GSP on the ground an coudlnt do anything to Anderson. Anderson got up and knocked him out.

Anderson will knock out GSP.

GSP looks good against people he can man handle or who he is bigger then. Let him fight someone for once who is bigger and stronger an see what he does then.

Also Anderson gets GSP in the clinch, GSP goes to sleep like Franklin did.

I for one to not think Anderson is p4p the best.

Also Anderson has gotten better since his loss to Chonnan.

Oh this is the part that i found funny, GSP working his magic, what magic would that be. Would that be the magic that allowed him to submit Koscheck who has very little bjj skills. Oh thats right he didn't sub Kos.

Anderson's ground game is alot better then Koscheck.


I normally agree with most of your posts, but this post imo is just way out their.

Anderson does rule the mw division, but GSP can't even rule WW yet he is going to be the MW champion.

GSP is a very good fighter but Anderson is the better fighter, an the smarter fighter.

This is one fight were GSP is the smaller fighter, and is out matched.

Top 3 Strikers in MMA? I don't know about that. Muay Thai credentials or not.

How do you know Anderson has a solid ass chin.. Show me one crazy shot that Anderson took and didn't go down.. you are ASSUMING he has a good chin.

When does Anderson ever get cocky? Is that a serious statement?

He did under train for Matt Serra.. I am not going to even talk about him getting caught because who cares.. He looked small, I thought it and Hughes said it immediately after the post fight. It was clear that GSP was not training for Matt Serra.

Anderson does have good stand up. And that is his only really strong point.

His BJJ is not as amazing as you make it sound. Anderson has been submitted by 2 lesser fighters. He has ONE (3 if you count the 2 submissions via strikes) submission win in his entire career.. over Travis Lutter, who looked like a bag of shit that night (no disrespect intended, believe it or not) and who is not even close to a top fighter. If GSP and Anderson rolled.. 2 out of 3 times, I bet GSP wins. He has good wrestling and good BJJ.


If Anderson wins, it is via TKO.. and that is the only way. GSP is just as fast as Anderson, maybe the smallest fraction slower, but by a hair.

I still see GSP winning, probably in a GnP position, 2nd round.


And don't give me Taller, Bigger, Stronger... quality over quantity (and that isn't a reference to GSP vs. Silva.. that is a general statement about MMA).


We could debate this all year long.. but unless the fight happens, we will never know.

[Afro]

Originally Posted by dan the man 67

I don't know about that.

I would say GSP has better kicks, punches, and elbows. Silva's great in the clinch, and delivering knees, but that's about the only part of his standup that stands out to me. I'd say they are about equal in accuracy and efficiency.

Don't underestimate GSP's new direction and focus he is getting from training with Jackson. We've only seen 1 fight since that change, and what I saw, I was very impressed with. He came in and took care of business very effectively. He had a great game plan, and he executed it extremely well.

Also, GSP is a very big WW - I think he would fill out at 185 rather well, and would be bigger and much stronger than Silva. I'd even say that at 185, GSP would be bigger and stronger than Franklin, yet GSP is much more skilled.

Thats the ONLY part of his standup? Dude I am really refraining myself from calling you an idiot right now, all im going to say is.. if you were actually sitting down with experts of MMA and said that to them they would shoot you without any hesitation

please, for the love of god, and for the love of not making yourself look like a fuckin assclown do some damn research before you post because what you just said couldnt be more wrong, and it makes you look like a douchebag thats just spouting out bullshit.

Why dont you read up on A Silva's Muay Thai background before and his Boxing background, claiming GSP has better punches then A Silva is retarded.. do you know anything about boxing? not making fun of you.. and im not calling you retarded, but your clearly misinformed when it comes to striking and really should read up on it.. it would help your posts cuz buddy, your far off no offense.

Anderson Silva clearly has better punches then GSP, this is a no contest he has won international boxing comps for a fuckin reason, he knows how to keep his distance with his hands, he keeps fighters at the ends of his punches, he throws every punch in the book, hes very accurate, and technically savvy as well.. GSP is not bad with his hands, but he cannot do half the stuff A Silva can.. nor has he ever done half the stuff A Silva can.. if he has please do show me, if you cant show me then dont say it.

Better kicks? its arguable.. GSP has really good kicks, so does Anderson Silva

Better Elbows? based on? Show me some good GSP elbows please, cuz I damn sure can show you Anderson SIlva KNOCKING PEOPLE OUT WITH HIS ELBOWS.. Anderson Silva is one of few, and GSP is not part of that few.. like I said if you can show me some elbows from GSP that are better then what I can show you from A Silva then ill eat crow, but I know for a fact you cant.. so again you are wrong on this as well.

I dont think we need to argue knees, we know who wins that

but who the fuck breaks striking down into kicks, knees, punches, elbows, etc? Someone who needs to be informed about striking no offense.. I can show you boxers who can beat kickboxers, I can show you kickboxers who can beat Muay Thai pracs, I can show you TKD fighters that can beat them all.. you cant break striking down into bits and pieces like that because there are a lot of fighters who are better with there hands then most fighters are with there entire bodies.. and this is bolded for truth.

Point still remains I can prove to you not only does A Silva have better punches, knees, elbows, and arguably kicks then GSP.. I can prove that despite it being irrelevant, I can also prove relevance.. and that is that A Silva is just a better striker then GSP is because of his entire game, not just the bits and pieces you are trying to break down.

GSP has no head movement, I can show this to you.. you cant show me where GSP does have head movement

I can show you who throws the better combos, I can show you whos more effective with there striking, I can show you the smarter, more technical striker.. you cant show me that unless you show me Anderson Silva, and ill bet my right to post on this forum that you cant. Sorry I had to do this, but it had to be said.

[Dork8503]

Originally Posted by Ramma

Top 3 Strikers in MMA? I don't know about that. Muay Thai credentials or not.

How do you know Anderson has a solid ass chin.. Show me one crazy shot that Anderson took and didn't go down.. you are ASSUMING he has a good chin.

When does Anderson ever get cocky? Is that a serious statement?

He did under train for Matt Serra.. I am not going to even talk about him getting caught because who cares.. He looked small, I thought it and Hughes said it immediately after the post fight. It was clear that GSP was not training for Matt Serra.

Anderson does have good stand up. And that is his only really strong point.

His BJJ is not as amazing as you make it sound. Anderson has been submitted by 2 lesser fighters. He has ONE (3 if you count the 2 submissions via strikes) submission win in his entire career.. over Travis Lutter, who looked like a bag of shit that night (no disrespect intended, believe it or not) and who is not even close to a top fighter. If GSP and Anderson rolled.. 2 out of 3 times, I bet GSP wins. He has good wrestling and good BJJ.


If Anderson wins, it is via TKO.. and that is the only way. GSP is just as fast as Anderson, maybe the smallest fraction slower, but by a hair.

I still see GSP winning, probably in a GnP position, 2nd round.


And don't give me Taller, Bigger, Stronger... quality over quantity (and that isn't a reference to GSP vs. Silva.. that is a general statement about MMA).


We could debate this all year long.. but unless the fight happens, we will never know.

Yes Anderson is top 3 strikers in MMA. I knew that before he tooled Franklin the first time.

GSP is a good fighter no doubt but man Anderson is just better.

GSP couldn't even finish Kos on the ground and Anderson has by far the better ground game.

Anderson will out muscle and bully GSP just as GSP does to guys at ww.

GSP's skills will still be their but his tdd and his take downs won't be as effective at mw because he will be agaisnt bigger stronger fighters.

GSP has never had a fight where he was not the bigger fighter or stronger fighter in the UFC.

Lets see how he does against Fitch who is just as big an imo stronger. I think Fitch beats him but i hug his nuts so that don't really count.

GSP is a big WW but would be a average MW. Thats why he fights at WW because he is bigger an stronger their, just as Franklin fights at mw instead of lhw. At lhw Franklin would just be another fighter, at mw he stands out. Same goes for GSP.

Why wouldn't the bigger stronger more skilled fighter beat the smaller less skilled fighter.

Yeah Anderson has lost by sub, but GSP got knocked out by a natural LW who looks like Frodo.

[Joe P]

wot do u think about silva? i think he could move up 2 205 and possibly challenge wot u think??