GSP vs. Anderson Silva, both at 185lbs?

[twankydawg]

Originally Posted by sousuke22

Well if it's not a TKO then he can ride it out to a decision just like he did against Koscheck. If Kos can't get out from under GSP, Silva's not going to be able to, and with the exception of that flash armbar by Hughes on their first meeting, I don't care how skilled you are on the ground, it's unlikely you're going to catch GSP... unless of course you consider Silva to be better than Penn on the ground... GSP has shown he can handle BJJ experts as well as world class wrestlers in their own elements. Besides, Silva's chin hasn't even been tested, and GSP's the perfect guy to do it. His striking is lightyears ahead of Franklin's, I don't care what anyone says.

LOL, you have got to be kidding me right.....no don't answer that.

[ninjastix]

Gsp was able enough to hold down Hughes, Trigg, Penn, Miller, and Kos... He also was able to put on a pounding on each one of them and if there's one thing that Gsp does better than any fighter I've seen is his ability to work and hold top control on fighters.

Silva hasn't faced a relentless assault from a ground game opponent since Lutter who was dehydrated and weakened. Lutter got Silva to the mat with little effort (partly because I believe Lutter works his takedown to converse as much energy as possible but they are ugly as all hell).

Gsp is explosive and dynamic and while Silva has excellent BJJ, Gsp has nullifed that in the past with other fighters. I see George using shots to open up submission attempts, getting Silva back and getting the TKO from back mount.

Gsp gnp'ed out Hughes... and he would have done so to Trigg but opt'ed for the RNC when it was presented...and you could have made a argument for a stoppage in the Miller fight as well...

I am a big Fan of Silva, if only because it's extremely refreashing to watch a MMA fighter fight intelligently with his hand up with active blocking and using very effective striking. Silva has speed, agility, and great ground defense.

But I think he's ability to defend take downs is suspect, and I think GSP is possibly the sports most dangerous fighter when he's in control on the ground.

[Dork8503]

Originally Posted by ninjastix

Gsp was able enough to hold down Hughes, Trigg, Penn, Miller, and Kos... He also was able to put on a pounding on each one of them and if there's one thing that Gsp does better than any fighter I've seen is his ability to work and hold top control on fighters.

Silva hasn't faced a relentless assault from a ground game opponent since Lutter who was dehydrated and weakened. Lutter got Silva to the mat with little effort (partly because I believe Lutter works his takedown to converse as much energy as possible but they are ugly as all hell).

Gsp is explosive and dynamic and while Silva has excellent BJJ, Gsp has nullifed that in the past with other fighters. I see George using shots to open up submission attempts, getting Silva back and getting the TKO from back mount.

Gsp gnp'ed out Hughes... and he would have done so to Trigg but opt'ed for the RNC when it was presented...and you could have made a argument for a stoppage in the Miller fight as well...

I am a big Fan of Silva, if only because it's extremely refreashing to watch a MMA fighter fight intelligently with his hand up with active blocking and using very effective striking. Silva has speed, agility, and great ground defense.

But I think he's ability to defend take downs is suspect, and I think GSP is possibly the sports most dangerous fighter when he's in control on the ground.

GSP dropped hughes first then finished it off, Hughes was pretty much out when he hit the ground.

Anderson has much better Striking then Matt and has a better chin.

he did nothing to penn on the ground, Penn did more to GSP off his back then GSP did to Penn.

GSP is not taking Silva's back, Silva will sweep GSP and pound him out or sub him. You forget that Nate M is much better on the ground and did nothing to Anderson.

[CHUCKtheCHAMP]

Originally Posted by Afro

Dude were coo but, the whole "If BJ didnt do this, then this person cant" is dumb logic.. so what if BJ is a better BJJ prac then Anderson? Brazillian Jiu-Jitsu is Brazillian Jiu-Jitsu it is not narrowed down to just submissions.. you are making it seem like what a lot of rookies make it out to be.. a sport with no versitility when it comes to style, and you should know that its a very versitile sport. You cant compare two different fights between different fighters at different weight classes period! and so what if Hughes sub'd him years ago, and your point is that fighters cant improve? so what your saying is BJ Penn or Anderson Silva wont improve?

I mean havent you cared to look at what your saying?

Matt Hughes sub'd GSP in 2004, BJ Penn didnt sub him in 2006.. were 1 month away from 2008 so theres a 2 year span in between all these matchups so even your rebuttle has flaws.


10 times out of 10? try 12 times out of 10, GSP will never in his life come close to beating Dan Henderson.

i never norrowed it down to jsut subbs...bj has a better all around subb game then silva and imo can use his guard alot better and thats wat im talking about...bj has a way better guard then silva and thats wat my point is...gsp can be in andersons guard all night imo...gsp has very good subb defense from the top and all i was saying is that imo silva wouldnt be able to subb him from his back, i was just using the fact that that gsp was able to shrug off bj's subb attempts and bj has a far better guard then silva...understand??? im not trying to use mma math but im just comparing...

i think many of you think im hugging gsp's nuts and that i always think he would win...its not like that...i love anderson silva, he is a great fighter with insane strikes good subbs but shitty wrestling, and imo gsp's wrestling ability and his controll from top position could very well win him a ud...if you dont think thats possible then thats just biased imo...silva has no takedown d...gsp has imo the best mma wrestling at ww...gsp can take silva down at will and for sure aviod subbs form silva to pull out a win...its very possible

[CHUCKtheCHAMP]

Originally Posted by twankydawg

LOL, you have got to be kidding me right.....no don't answer that.

i dont know wat part of his post your refering to but imo gsp's striking is way better than franklins...gsp has better kicks, knees and hands imo...

[Dork8503]

Originally Posted by CHUCKtheCHAMP

i never norrowed it down to jsut subbs...bj has a better all around subb game then silva and imo can use his guard alot better and thats wat im talking about...bj has a way better guard then silva and thats wat my point is...gsp can be in andersons guard all night imo...gsp has very good subb defense from the top and all i was saying is that imo silva wouldnt be able to subb him from his back, i was just using the fact that that gsp was able to shrug off bj's subb attempts and bj has a far better guard then silva...understand??? im not trying to use mma math but im just comparing...

i think many of you think im hugging gsp's nuts and that i always think he would win...its not like that...i love anderson silva, he is a great fighter with insane strikes good subbs but shitty wrestling, and imo gsp's wrestling ability and his controll from top position could very well win him a ud...if you dont think thats possible then thats just biased imo...silva has no takedown d...gsp has imo the best mma wrestling at ww...gsp can take silva down at will and for sure aviod subbs form silva to pull out a win...its very possible

GSP does have great wrestling at WW but this wouldn't be ww it would be mw and things change when going up or down in weight.

[CHUCKtheCHAMP]

Originally Posted by Dork8503

GSP does have great wrestling at WW but this wouldn't be ww it would be mw and things change when going up or down in weight.

honestly though man you have to know gsp will be able to take silva down almost at will even at mw...silva jsut doesnt have the take down d to stop it...its a combo of those things...gsp's amazing wrestling and silva crappy take down d...

[TriangleChoke]

Originally Posted by sousuke22

Well if it's not a TKO then he can ride it out to a decision just like he did against Koscheck. If Kos can't get out from under GSP, Silva's not going to be able to, and with the exception of that flash armbar by Hughes on their first meeting, I don't care how skilled you are on the ground, it's unlikely you're going to catch GSP... unless of course you consider Silva to be better than Penn on the ground... GSP has shown he can handle BJJ experts as well as world class wrestlers in their own elements. Besides, Silva's chin hasn't even been tested, and GSP's the perfect guy to do it. His striking is lightyears ahead of Franklin's, I don't care what anyone says.

a "flash" arm bar? lol that was no "flash" armbar...gsp made a mistake that he shouldnt have made...it was literally a rookie bjj mistake. he went for a kimura from half guard (which was a STUPID thing to do) and hughes transitioned to an armbar. it was slick bjj, NOT a "flash" armbar..

and silva cuts from around 210-215...i highly doubt gsp would be able to hold silva down and eek out a decision

[AJL416AZ]

Originally Posted by CHUCKtheCHAMP

i dont know wat part of his post your refering to but imo gsp's striking is way better than franklins...gsp has better kicks, knees and hands imo...

he was referring to the ridiculous 'untested chin' comment, i think.


and Franklin has a ridiculous power advantage over GSP, and head movement. something GSP still has not added to his game, despite the embarrassing loss because of it.

[TriangleChoke]

Originally Posted by AJL416AZ

he was referring to the ridiculous 'untested chin' comment, i think.


and Franklin has a ridiculous power advantage over GSP, and head movement. something GSP still has not added to his game, despite the embarrassing loss because of it.

in gsp's defense, we didnt really get to see enough of his striking game in the fight with koscheck to say that he hasnt added head movement to his striking...

edit: gsp took koscheck down for 3 rounds...do u think he's a little bit timid after the ko loss to serra?