GSP vs. Anderson Silva, both at 185lbs? - Page 12

leedogg900 · #**111** (**permalink**) 11-08-2007, 11:10 PM

lolll. reminds me of my first days on this site. ive learned to think carefully before i make my comments about mma. give reasons with supporting arguements and make sure they make sense. things like "lindland cant take gsp down" are going to get u verbally assualted.

dbader08 · #**112** (**permalink**) 11-08-2007, 11:12 PM

yeah i realize that now. when i said it i was really pissed off. trust me i regret saying it lol

Dork8503 · #**113** (**permalink**) 11-08-2007, 11:42 PM

I come packing that Verbal Assault Machine Gun lol

or a bat

dbader08 · #**114** (**permalink**) 11-09-2007, 12:13 AM

its like your only allowed to say what everyone else thinks on here

and if you say something that people disagree with they jump all over you

and im not talkin about the lindland thing (which i regret saying )

i say i think gsp has the tools to beat silva and then i have three guys shouting out insults at me lol

it's kind of funny really but oh well it's all good

Dork8503 · #**115** (**permalink**) 11-09-2007, 12:48 AM

i don't remember saying insults until i was insulted first.

i just usually ask people if they smoke crack

dan the man 67 · #**116** (**permalink**) 11-09-2007, 10:22 AM

Why do some of you feel that GSP at 185 would be a small MW, or that he wouldn't have any strength advantage? Granted, both Silva and Franklin are over 6', but there are plenty of strong fighters at MW who are close to GSP's height of 5'-10".

I'll give you some examples;
Phil Baroni 5'-9"
Robbie Lawler 5'-9"
Chris Leben 5'-11"
Travis Lutter 5'-11"
Terry Martin 5'-9"
Jordan Radev 5'-7"
Pete Sell 5'-11"

It's because of GSP's genetics that he has the strength that he has, and the physical size that he has - do you think that his genetics change because he would go up in weight? I think he would be plenty strong at 185lbs, and I think he would look bigger than anyone his height, or shorter at 185lbs.

I definitely think he would be stronger than Anderson, both at 185.

The same goes for his skill set. I believe GSP is a better striker than most at WW, a better wrestler than most at WW, and better at BJJ than most at WW. Do you think that just because a fighter fights at a higher weight class, that their skill set is superior? Do you think BJ Penn has any less skills when he fights as a LW vs. MW? His skill set is his skill set, regardless of what weight class he's at. Do you think BJ's skill set is inferior to a Fedor, or any other top fighter in a higher weight class?

You know what you know. If you are heavier, most likely you will have more strength, but your skill set doesn't change. If you are genetically a stronger-than-average person at 170, you'll probably be a stronger-than-average person at 185 - compared to other fighters the same weight.

Palma · #**117** (**permalink**) 11-09-2007, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dan the man 67

Why do some of you feel that GSP at 185 would be a small MW, or that he wouldn't have any strength advantage? Granted, both Silva and Franklin are over 6', but there are plenty of strong fighters at MW who are close to GSP's height of 5'-10".

I'll give you some examples;
Phil Baroni 5'-9"
Robbie Lawler 5'-9"
Chris Leben 5'-11"
Travis Lutter 5'-11"
Terry Martin 5'-9"
Jordan Radev 5'-7"
Pete Sell 5'-11"

It's because of GSP's genetics that he has the strength that he has, and the physical size that he has - do you think that his genetics change because he would go up in weight? I think he would be plenty strong at 185lbs, and I think he would look bigger than anyone his height, or shorter at 185lbs.

I definitely think he would be stronger than Anderson, both at 185.

The same goes for his skill set. I believe GSP is a better striker than most at WW, a better wrestler than most at WW, and better at BJJ than most at WW. Do you think that just because a fighter fights at a higher weight class, that their skill set is superior? Do you think BJ Penn has any less skills when he fights as a LW vs. MW? His skill set is his skill set, regardless of what weight class he's at. Do you think BJ's skill set is inferior to a Fedor, or any other top fighter in a higher weight class?

You know what you know. If you are heavier, most likely you will have more strength, but your skill set doesn't change. If you are genetically a stronger-than-average person at 170, you'll probably be a stronger-than-average person at 185 - compared to other fighters the same weight.

And there it is... so you are saying if GSP was naturally 15 pounds heavier (to scale) he wouldn't be any stronger then he is right now? Why do you think they even have weight classes to begin with?

All the fighters you listed aren't even top 10 fighters in the MW division and their size does have something to with that.

And as far as you thinking GSP is stronger then Silva... lol... even Rich Franklin couldn't deal with strength of Silva... Do you really think GSP is as strong as Rich Franklin? Even pound for pound Franklin is stronger then GSP and so is Silva. You can't go by what a fighter looks like alone. GSP is bulked up with cosmetic weight lifiting muscles... Silva has natural lean muscles which is more effective strength.

GSP's fans are the only thing I can't stand about GSP... you guys just can't accept the fact that he isn't best at anything. He isn't best striker, he isn't the best wrestler, he isn't that great at BJJ, he isn't the strongest, and he isn't the most well rounded fighter. He is a great MMA WW fighter, who has yet to be the great Champion everyone though he would be. Until he succusfully defends a title at least once I would wait to say things like he can even hang with a fighter of Anderson Silva's caliber.

krayven · #**118** (**permalink**) 11-09-2007, 12:38 PM

Thing is with this fight if it happened RIGHT NOW. I'd give the nod to Anderson Silva. His confidence is at an all-time high and his precision is just downright scary.
GSP operates extremely efficiently when he dictates the pace early and finds his rhythmn. See the fight with KOS. He went for and scored a takedown immediately.
Got inside Koscheck's head and Kos fought a very tenative fight for the duration with the exception of a few brief moments in the third. He wouldn't have that chance against
Silva because Silva is slightly better than GSP at just about every aspect that makes GSP special. GSP's mental state has always been suspect, he has a hard time when things are adverse for him
It depends on who shows up that night but right now I'd have a hard time saying anything but Silva by Ref Stoppage due to Strikes in the late second round.
Would LOVE to see this fight.

and btw i'm a GSP fan

dan the man 67 · #**119** (**permalink**) 11-09-2007, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Palma

And there it is... so you are saying if GSP was naturally 15 pounds heavier (to scale) he wouldn't be any stronger then he is right now? Why do you think they even have weight classes to begin with?

No, that is not what I am saying. I think if he went to 185, he'd have as much a strength advantage over the MWs as he now does with WWs.

All the fighters you listed aren't even top 10 fighters in the MW division and their size does have something to with that.

And as far as you thinking GSP is stronger then Silva... lol... even Rich Franklin couldn't deal with strength of Silva... Do you really think GSP is as strong as Rich Franklin? Even pound for pound Franklin is stronger then GSP and so is Silva. You can't go by what a fighter looks like alone. GSP is bulked up with cosmetic weight lifiting muscles... Silva has natural lean muscles which is more effective strength.

Franklin and GSP, both at 185, yes, I think they would probably be pretty similar in strength, however I feel GSP's overall skillset is higher than Franklin's.

GSP's fans are the only thing I can't stand about GSP... you guys just can't accept the fact that he isn't best at anything. He isn't best striker, he isn't the best wrestler, he isn't that great at BJJ, he isn't the strongest, and he isn't the most well rounded fighter. He is a great MMA WW fighter, who has yet to be the great Champion everyone though he would be. Until he succusfully defends a title at least once I would wait to say things like he can even hang with a fighter of Anderson Silva's caliber.

If you read my post carefully, you'll see that I wrote;
"The same goes for his skill set. I believe GSP is a better striker than most at WW, a better wrestler than most at WW, and better at BJJ than most at WW." I didn't say he was the best at anything.

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AJL416AZ · #**120** (**permalink**) 11-09-2007, 01:45 PM

dan the man

all the guys you just pointed out are probably, on average, bigger and stronger than GSP. GSP is nice and strong at 170, when he is outmuscling guys smaller than him. but those guys are stronger than the average guy at 185, which is a class 15 lbs above.

Baroni has been said to cut from over 200, and its all muscle mass, and while GSP is taller, Baroni is much thicker. i would go ahead and bet that a 5'9" 200lb+ lb former pro body builder is physically stronger than a 5'10", 195-ish GSP.

Rich Franklin weighs about 220 lbs before training camp. thats a 50 lbs above GSP's weight class. GSP is supposedly around 195 before dieting and cutting down. thats a 25 lb advantage for Ace. 25 LBS!! if you think they're even close, then you obviously know nothing about grappling or wrestling. or even boxing. Rich would KTFO GSP, IMO. how the fuck can GSP hang with that kind of physical power, when he's coming up a class.

and its not just strength, weight is a huge deal in combat sports. i hate grappling with someone with a significant weight or strength advantage, it wears you down a lot, especially if they get on top.