Ernesto Hoost better than Cro Cop?

[valheruking]

Originally Posted by harlemhustla145

When people like Carter Williams, get 2 years of ground experience, things are really going to be interesting.

Didnt Gary Goodridge knock him out , yeah but i know what you mean, he would be an above average striker in mma.

[Ubermensch]

I don't think this should even be discussed really. If you know Kickboxing this whole thing is a joke.

[earle]

Originally Posted by dagreat1

Hoost is the best Kickboxer in the history of kickboxing, period.

Other's right up there:

Dekkers
Buakaw
Hugg
Le Banner
Benny "Jet"

Cro Cop was great but not nearly as good nor accomplished as hte rest of the above mentioned names.

Agreed, but maybe Peter Aerts and "Iron Mike" Zambidis could be added to that list.

[valheruking]

Originally Posted by earle

Agreed, but maybe Peter Aerts and "Iron Mike" Zambidis could be added to that list.

Mike Zambidis?, that guy is a great fighter but your saying he should be added to a list of all time greats when there are many fighters ranked above him right now never mind all time, guys such as Souwer and Masato.

[Rufio]

I've only seen the Hunt fight out of Cro Cop's K-1 fights, but just based on his record on paper, why isn't he considered one of the elites?


Cro Cop has wins over Le Banner, Hunt, Aerts, Bonjasky, Sapp, and Bernardo, correct? And didn't his last fight with Hoost go to a decision?


I know a record on paper can be misleading, but why aren't these wins talked about more?

[valheruking]

Originally Posted by Rufio

I've only seen the Hunt fight out of Cro Cop's K-1 fights, but just based on his record on paper, why isn't he considered one of the elites?


Cro Cop has wins over Le Banner, Hunt, Aerts, Bonjasky, Sapp, and Bernardo, correct? And didn't his last fight with Hoost go to a decision?


I know a record on paper can be misleading, but why aren't these wins talked about more?

He was definately good nobody can deny that, but the thing about the era he was fighting in was that it was a golden age really and on any given day most of the top guys could beat any of the others, so if you take a look at some of the other records you'll see that many fighters had victories over each other.
There were many great fighters around that could have been considered the best such as...
Jerome leBanner
Hoost
Aerts
Stefan Leko
Fransisco Filho
Ray sefo
Mike Bernanrdo
Cro Cop
Mark Hunt
and way too many others to mention, but the thing is they all had victories over each other at some stage so it doesnt really matter that Cro Cop beat some good fighters because many fighters beat the ones he beat plus a lot more and at more crucial times.
You'd have to be stupid to look back and think he was no good and try to pretend that he was nothing in k1 because its not true, but you also must remember k1 has never been as good as it was then and there were many fighters both at his level and maybe a bit better so he didnt have the chance to stand out really.

[earle]

Originally Posted by valheruking

Mike Zambidis?, that guy is a great fighter but your saying he should be added to a list of all time greats when there are many fighters ranked above him right now never mind all time, guys such as Souwer and Masato.

Okay, can't argue with you there, let me amend and say, one of the great highlight reels, some impressive knockouts.

[Steve88]

I love cro cop as much as any CC fan but.. this is a joke of a thread. hoost is on another level when it comes to kickboxing.

[fedor]

CC just made the transition like no other. look a semmy schilt, he was a good kickboxer but could not sprawl or handle the ground game. hoost is a legend!

[valheruking]

Originally Posted by fedor

CC just made the transition like no other. look a semmy schilt, he was a good kickboxer but could not sprawl or handle the ground game. hoost is a legend!

Semmy was fighting in mma (Pancrase, Pride etc) before he entered K1 and won the world gp twice(2005/6) so thats not a very good comparison.