Favorite Submission?

[unquiet]

I'm really liking the north south choke that Jeff Monson used in ufc, and Marcelo Garcia more recently in adcc. People think it's pretty new, but it's been around for a long time. Frank Shamrock was trying to pull it off against Bas Rutten in Pancrase. It's cool to see the different set-ups for it.

My instructor likes to hit an Invisible Brabo choke too, viscious.

[Noob]

Originally Posted by unquiet

I'm really liking the north south choke that Jeff Monson used in ufc, and Marcelo Garcia more recently in adcc. People think it's pretty new, but it's been around for a long time. Frank Shamrock was trying to pull it off against Bas Rutten in Pancrase. It's cool to see the different set-ups for it.

My instructor likes to hit an Invisible Brabo choke too, viscious.

Yeah, I use that N/S choke a lot too. The brabo is one of my favorite chokes, and I have some very sneaky setups for it. It hit that more than any other submission by far. I try to make sure I can catch it from almost all positions.


Invisible Brabo, is that the Brabo without an arm in? I haven't heard that name before.



And what happened to Jeremy Williams? I knew he passed away, but I never heard what the cause was.

[kaiz77]

Originally Posted by unquiet

I'm really liking the north south choke that Jeff Monson used in ufc, and Marcelo Garcia more recently in adcc. People think it's pretty new, but it's been around for a long time. Frank Shamrock was trying to pull it off against Bas Rutten in Pancrase. It's cool to see the different set-ups for it.

My instructor likes to hit an Invisible Brabo choke too, viscious.

Ive been trying to use this more and more...but 3 out of 5 times....its just not right.....I can get into the position but it always seems that his chin is always like in my armpit.......so I guess the problem is getting under his chin...

any suggestions?

[NixHex]

Originally Posted by kaiz77

Ive been trying to use this more and more...but 3 out of 5 times....its just not right.....I can get into the position but it always seems that his chin is always like in my armpit.......so I guess the problem is getting under his chin...

any suggestions?

I like putting pressure on the throat with my forearm (much easier to get your forearm under the chin than it is to get the bicep) and then working his chin up to slide my bicep under his chin.

[unquiet]

Originally Posted by Noob

Yeah, I use that N/S choke a lot too. The brabo is one of my favorite chokes, and I have some very sneaky setups for it. It hit that more than any other submission by far. I try to make sure I can catch it from almost all positions.
Invisible Brabo, is that the Brabo without an arm in? I haven't heard that name before.
And what happened to Jeremy Williams? I knew he passed away, but I never heard what the cause was.

Brabo is a submission you can hit from a ridiculous amount of positions, I don't know why I haven't added it to my arsenal. I barely use it, and I only think of it from half-guard but it can be done from almost everywhere.

Yeah the invisible brabo is coined from Rick Estrada I think. He's my instructor at Subfighter. It is a brabo without an arm in. One set up is if the guy turns his chin the other way to defend the n/s choke, you hit him with the other arm and get the brabo grip. It feels like your head's going to pop off.

Jeremy passed away by suicide. I never got the exact details of what he was going through, but it must have been intense for him to do that. He was my instructor at Apex Jiu-Jitsu. After he left, a bunch of his good friends started SubfighterMMA and that's where I train now. I was really happy when I downloaded your takedown, passes, and choke videos you uploaded because it brought back good memories of his incredible teaching. I hope you upload more of those videos of Jeremy because he was really skilled in his techniques and teaching style.

[unquiet]

Originally Posted by kaiz77

Ive been trying to use this more and more...but 3 out of 5 times....its just not right.....I can get into the position but it always seems that his chin is always like in my armpit.......so I guess the problem is getting under his chin...

any suggestions?

http://www.graciemag.com/news/149/AR...007-05-17.html

If the chin is still under the armpit, but you have his head wrapped up, just keep working the choke by turning his chin away from you and digging your shoulder in deeper by shrugging it in.

[Noob]

Originally Posted by unquiet

Yeah the invisible brabo is coined from Rick Estrada I think. He's my instructor at Subfighter. It is a brabo without an arm in. One set up is if the guy turns his chin the other way to defend the n/s choke, you hit him with the other arm and get the brabo grip. It feels like your head's going to pop off.

Yeah, an instructor of mine showed me that from halfguard. It was here in Spain though, so obviously the name was different, lol.


I still haven't worked it into my game, but adding it as a variation on the N/S choke sounds like a good idea. I love the N/S choke, but it's never a super high percentage submission. So anything that bumps those numbers up is a welcome addition.

Originally Posted by unquiet

Jeremy passed away by suicide. I never got the exact details of what he was going through, but it must have been intense for him to do that. He was my instructor at Apex Jiu-Jitsu. After he left, a bunch of his good friends started SubfighterMMA and that's where I train now. I was really happy when I downloaded your takedown, passes, and choke videos you uploaded because it brought back good memories of his incredible teaching. I hope you upload more of those videos of Jeremy because he was really skilled in his techniques and teaching style.

Man, that is really sad.


Yeah, a lot of the sweeps and chokes in the compilations I posted were from the Apex school. A ton of them had Jeremy on there. That was my first exposure to his stuff.


He was a very technical teacher. The clips of him teaching were always twice as long as other ones, because he put so much time into it and focused on variations. I always found that helpful.

[Noob]

Originally Posted by unquiet

http://www.graciemag.com/news/149/AR...007-05-17.html

If the chin is still under the armpit, but you have his head wrapped up, just keep working the choke by turning his chin away from you and digging your shoulder in deeper by shrugging it in.

You can also walk it around and turn it into a neck crank.



There are times that you can't get your shoulder under the chin. There are ways to increase the percentages, but nothing is 100%.


The method I came up with, is to keep driving your lat into their face, dropping your hip on the same side a little lower than your other hip. Keep tight pressure, using a guillotine grip with your hands.


From here, walk yourself around like the hand of a clock. Which direction you will walk depends on which side you're doing it on. If you have your left arm around their neck, you will walk your body in a clockwise direction.


As you keep this up, choke or not, it will eventually start tilting his neck at an odd angle. Depending on the person it will either start choking because of the weird angle, or it will turn into a neck crank.






You have to also be careful about controlling their hips on the same side that your body is on. This technique can immediately go to shit if you give their hips room to move. It allows them to roll and possibly get to all fours. And there's nothing quite like working really hard on setting up a technique just to have it all go to crap because of some small detail on the other side of their body that you forgot all about. I know from experience, it fucking sucks.

[kaiz77]

THanks guys!!...that clears things up a bit....Ill experiment tonight...and hope to get it on video...

[krayven]

I got caught in an Omaplata wednesday at class, it was some creepy shyt

U don't have long to decide in one of those thats for sure. ..lol


I don't know why but the Kimura is my fave pro'ally from my bouncer days it was always the most effective for controlling people