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04-27-2007, 05:52 PM
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Kevin Randleman: all that wrestling talent, more-than-decent boxing, strong as a goddamn gorilla. But he hardly ever beats top-tier talent.
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I don't know about that. Cro Cop, Pedro Rizzo, Babalu, Maurice Smith, even Ninja's an alright win. He doesn't really suffer from a lack of wins. He just has too many losses, especially in recent years.
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04-27-2007, 05:58 PM
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Frank Shamrock..Enough has been said
Vitor Belfort..." " "
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04-27-2007, 06:02 PM
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Tito Ortiz is a big ol pile of waste!
Oh, my bad...you meant talent...
Right now, I'm going to say Melvin Guillard.
The Good - Young, fast, powerful, good wrestling, crazy hands and KO power...
And then the Bad - Still hasn't improved sub defense, unfocused...and a "little" cocaine problem.
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04-27-2007, 06:04 PM
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Mark Hughes, I mean look at what his identical twin has done. He's gotta have the same potential.
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04-27-2007, 06:08 PM
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has melvin been fighting long enogh to say that he has wasted his talent yet
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04-27-2007, 06:26 PM
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I will probably get flamed for this but Tito is about as big a waste of talent as there is.
Now before the flaming begins think about it. Now I dislike Tito as much as the next guy but less than 5 years ago he was on top of the world. He was the LHW champ beating good fighters. He has great cardio, he's always in great physical shape, good not great wrestler and he had so much intensity in the octagon.
he just never evolved with the sport. He decided to rely solely on his wrestling and GnP. If he would have started training (MT)standup and bjj 5 years ago he could have become a contender and stayed a contender.
He seems content to ride out the name recognition and hope he can take people down. He will probably never win a standup/submission fight with anyone.
well that and bang is porn star girlfriend.
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04-27-2007, 06:46 PM
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Tito's stand up has gotten a lot better, as for BJJ if you are a very good wrestler your main concern is BJJ defense which I think Tito's is pretty good
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04-27-2007, 07:38 PM
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Tito is one of the biggest wastes of talent. I like Tito but come on the guy could have been so much more. If he would have started 5 years ago working on his stand up and subs, by now the guy would still be champion. He thinks he wrestling and gnp will win everything for him and its not. He should have been busting his ass on stand up and subs and the guy would have been a real beast.
Stephan Bonnar- The guy was a golden gloves champ and on the national team also bjj under the gracies so the guy should be a monster but he isnt. He hasnt learned how to put the shit to gether. I still am giving him a chance but its not looking to good.
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04-27-2007, 07:55 PM
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I'm surprised his name hasn't come up but what about Joe Riggs? Every time anyone talks about him all they do is say what a beast he is at wrestling, striking or whatever. I'm a fan of his, but he needs to be able to transfer his great gym work into the octagon.
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04-27-2007, 08:08 PM
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Joe Riggs.
Bad ass in the gym that cannot show up on fight night
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