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Old 04-20-2007, 08:16 PM
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Also I didn't mean the Hughes fight I was talking about the fight against Hideo Tokoro he weighs like 140 and he couldn't beat him i saw that fight Tokoro out grappled him, Royce is supposed to be a high ranking black belt in BJJ.

I think he dishonored the Gracie name and Gracie JuJitsu by letting Hughes out grapple a black belt in BJJ on the ground, it made it look like Hughes wrestling was superior to BJJ.

Hughes is just too strong and he knows enough BJJ to be able to nullify anything Royce can do.

I don't know why everyone was surprised at how Hughes manhandled him.
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Also I didn't mean the Hughes fight I was talking about the fight against Hideo Tokoro he weighs like 140 and he couldn't beat him i saw that fight Tokoro out grappled him, Royce is supposed to be a high ranking black belt in BJJ.

I think he dishonored the Gracie name and Gracie JuJitsu by letting Hughes out grapple a black belt in BJJ on the ground, it made it look like Hughes wrestling was superior to BJJ.
Dude, Hughes has what, five years on Royce? And he is literally twice as strong.
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Old 04-20-2007, 08:25 PM
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Old 04-20-2007, 08:29 PM
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Dude, Hughes has what, five years on Royce? And he is literally twice as strong.
I know Hughes is super strong for his weight, but thats why Gracie JJ was supposed to counter act bigger stronger oppents remember the Helio Gracie story.
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To get the record straight

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Old 04-20-2007, 08:53 PM
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From this website
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He is not formally certified by The Federação de Jiu-Jitsu do Estado do Rio de Janeiro
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He didn't dishonor anything. He lost to a younger, stronger, more ACTIVE, CHAMPION who was on top of his game.......AND HE DID IT WITH DIGNITY AND RESPECT, EVEN SHAKING OFF A HELL OF AN ARMLOCK. I say that's pretty honorable, personally.
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Hughes is just too strong and he knows enough BJJ to be able to nullify anything Royce can do.

I don't know why everyone was surprised at how Hughes manhandled him.
I personally just think Royce overtrained. I don't think Hughes can beat him like that again.
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and it's easy to pass a guard...if you land in side mount from the takedown!
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Hughes overpowered a smaller Royce Gracie who was well past his prime, and had not fought in years how is this dishonoring?

Hughes had no submission, he just overpowered Gracie
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