BJ Penn Calls Out...?

[Diegonightmare]

I understand BJ will be fighting a pack of 8 wild, half-starved dogs next...you guys like him in that fight too?

Maybe he can beat them (by ripping each one's throat out), then finish off Matt Hughes, edge out GSP, run right through Diego, and have time to go grab a cheeseburger, all in the same night.

Seriously...how many losses will BJ Penn need to rack up before folks start to disembark from his nuts?

Right now he's running at about a 33% loss rate, dropped 3 of his last 4, and has won exactly one fight (a decision) in close to 2.5 years. He hasn't finished a fight in close to 3 years.

I think in BJ Penn you all see the fighter you wish he were, the fighter you believe he could be, rather than the fighter he is. As I watch the BJ threads on this board, I'm only wondering how many times he needs to lose before reality starts to eclipse the fantasy.

[Big Daddy Duker]

Originally Posted by ronin

BJ is nutts I know Wand has lost his last 2 fights.. oh wait so has Penn anyway Wand would crush him,if he can't handle GSP and Hughes forget it.

BJ "handled" Hughes just fine until he separated his own rib - in fact, he was making Hughes look like a complete amateur up to that point. He also arguably WON the fight with GSP. Split decision victories are hardly decisive - especially when the winner's face looks like hamburger. Not that I have any problems with GSP, I just don't think anyone should be proclaiming that to be the victory of the year.

In fact, its Wanderlei who has had two DECISIVE losses - getting dominated throughout each fight and getting knocked the hell out twice, once by someone from a lower weight class. Comparing Silva's last two losses to Penn's is certainly an "apples and oranges" situation.

[Tyler4870]

Originally Posted by Diegonightmare

I understand BJ will be fighting a pack of 8 wild, half-starved dogs next...you guys like him in that fight too?

Maybe he can beat them (by ripping each one's throat out), then finish off Matt Hughes, edge out GSP, run right through Diego, and have time to go grab a cheeseburger, all in the same night.

Seriously...how many losses will BJ Penn need to rack up before folks start to disembark from his nuts?

Right now he's running at about a 33% loss rate, dropped 3 of his last 4, and has won exactly one fight (a decision) in close to 2.5 years. He hasn't finished a fight in close to 3 years.

I think in BJ Penn you all see the fighter you wish he were, the fighter you believe he could be, rather than the fighter he is. As I watch the BJ threads on this board, I'm only wondering how many times he needs to lose before reality starts to eclipse the fantasy.

I agree with you 100%, however there are too many BJ apoligists on this board. They're going to come out with "Bj may have lost to GSP, by split decision, but he made GSP's face bloody" or the ever popular, "BJ was dominating Hughes until he hurt himself". There will always be an excuse for BJ losing. He may fight quality fighters instead of "cans", but he isn't fairing all that well against that "quality" opposition. Even if he beats pulver he still has a losing record in the last 3 years...3 YEARS!!!!!! Maybe he should actually fight more than once a year to get some rust off the old engine. That just my opinion, I could be wrong.

[Afro]

Originally Posted by Tyler4870

I agree with you 100%, however there are too many BJ apoligists on this board. They're going to come out with "Bj may have lost to GSP, by split decision, but he made GSP's face bloody" or the ever popular, "BJ was dominating Hughes until he hurt himself". There will always be an excuse for BJ losing. He may fight quality fighters instead of "cans", but he isn't fairing all that well against that "quality" opposition. Even if he beats pulver he still has a losing record in the last 3 years...3 YEARS!!!!!! Maybe he should actually fight more than once a year to get some rust off the old engine. That just my opinion, I could be wrong.

How is it being a BJ apologist if that stuff actually happen? you cant ignore fact.

[Bobcat1]

Originally Posted by Tyler4870

I agree with you 100%, however there are too many BJ apoligists on this board. They're going to come out with "Bj may have lost to GSP, by split decision, but he made GSP's face bloody" or the ever popular, "BJ was dominating Hughes until he hurt himself". There will always be an excuse for BJ losing. He may fight quality fighters instead of "cans", but he isn't fairing all that well against that "quality" opposition. Even if he beats pulver he still has a losing record in the last 3 years...3 YEARS!!!!!! Maybe he should actually fight more than once a year to get some rust off the old engine. That just my opinion, I could be wrong.

I agree.

BJ's an awesome fighter, but he just hasn't lived up to his potential. GSP beat him fair and square. And the only debate about it is in the minds of his loyal fans. Hughes beat also him fair and square. BJ injured himself because, by his own admission, Hughes was dropping some heavy elbows on him in his gaurd, and BJ felt he had to do something quick to get out of a bad position. So, he injured himself trying to escape, and he lost the fight due to his own poor judgement.

BJ fights great, but he still hasn't proven himself to be a great fighter.

[Afro]

Originally Posted by Bobcat1

I agree.

BJ's an awesome fighter, but he just hasn't lived up to his potential. GSP beat him fair and square. And the only debate about it is in the minds of his loyal fans. Hughes beat also him fair and square. BJ injured himself because, by his own admission, Hughes was dropping some heavy elbows on him in his gaurd, and BJ felt he had to do something quick to get out of a bad position. So, he injured himself trying to escape, and he lost the fight due to his own poor judgement.

BJ fights great, but he still hasn't proven himself to be a great fighter.

you gotta be fuckin kiddin me

first of all, show me a Penn fan that says Penn was screwed out of the GSP fight.. it was a close fight and everyone admits that.. Penn did great, GSP did a little better

Show me a Penn fan that says Hughes doesnt deserve that win! he does deserve it, but Penn got injured and that aided in Hughes win.. Hughes was not putting Penn in any trouble, watch the fight again.. and Penn injured himself? dont say something that fuckin retarded ever again please.

[Bobcat1]

Originally Posted by Afro Samurai

you gotta be fuckin kiddin me

first of all, show me a Penn fan that says Penn was screwed out of the GSP fight.. it was a close fight and everyone admits that.. Penn did great, GSP did a little better

Show me a Penn fan that says Hughes doesnt deserve that win! he does deserve it, but Penn got injured and that aided in Hughes win.. Hughes was not putting Penn in any trouble, watch the fight again.. and Penn injured himself? dont say something that fuckin retarded ever again please.

*sigh*

Hughes took Penn down. Penn himself said that Hughes elbows were causing him serious concern. So he used a sweep from the full gaurd that BJJ grapplers normally reserve for the halfgaurd. Hence the injury.

And, by the way, if you really don't want to read retarded posts, then try to avoid the ones that have your own sig on them, brother.

[Masscore]

Penn does have a lot of balls calling people out and willing to fight anyone, I will give him that. He is this generations Royce Gracies (expect not as good).

Now if this ever happened (will never happen), it would not make it out of the first rd. Penn lost a toe-to-toe affiar with Lyoto(sp?) and he is no Wandy. Even a Wandy that has been KOed in his last two fights would beat the crap out of Lyoto standing and end the fight in the first rd. Penn would not be able to strike with Wandy at all. Wandy would have a huge reach advantage and a huge striking advantage. Lets not compare Wandy's striking to Penn's, Wandy outclasses him. I would think Wandy would KO Penn around the 3 min mark of the first rd.

Penn really should just try to get some wins under his belt. Sure he pushed Hughes to the limit (and lost) and sure he pushed GSP to the limit (and lost). Its time he fights maybe a Karo or a Fitch, niether would be an easy match up for him, and see if he can get a fews wins under him.

BTW, the winner of the Penn-Pulver fight is not the number 1 contender for the LW title, Penn already stated he is gonna go back to WW after the fight. Very stupid decision on his part.

[Wally]

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[Howie]

i dont really see BJ beating wandy. wandy would prolly run riught through him. i like BJ as much as neone but i will have to agree there are some ppl on this board that think BJ is a god when in reality hes not. BJ is an awesome fighter. he lost a close fight to GSP and ran a clinic on Hughes for 2 rounds before gettung hurt. the thing that annoys me is that ppl will say BJ would give fedor a go. the day i hear that is the day i give up on some of u ppl lol.

theres one thing that is for sure. any fight with BJ Penn in it is going to be a interesting fight. the thing is, a loss is a loss and thats all penns been doing lately. he will walk through the lightweight division, he is the biggest threat to GSP but in my eyes GSP is turning into a mini fedor.