about pride-why there ppv's are not....

[stevecorino]

as good as ufc's, you know what i agree iv been making to many threads, so ill try to keep them down, im not a troll

but everybody is saying on here dont start a pride vs ufc war, i say lets have discussion about it, thats what this board is about

i just have a few points to make about pride, but before i do i just wanted to make clear, weather you agree or not please stop with the childish remarks and lets have an open healthy discussion

-pride's whole presention including announcers are terrible, i dont care how good the fights are the announcers are so annoying, ufc has FAR better presentition
-top to bottom ufc has far better fighters, they have a ppv EVERY month, when pride has one every 2 months, ufc has major big names, and cro cop and rampage just add to that, pride's 2 biggest names that are most well known are silva dna fedor, now that silva lost that puts pride in a deeper hole
-ufc popularity is soaring and ppv's buys are destorying pride and even outdoing boxing, its just a matter of time before ufc becomes mainstream
-pride lost its tv deal and possibly maybe up for sale very soon
-i dont care what anybody says, that ring is terrible compared to the octagon, the cage is better, you dont get tangled up, and the ring feels like a boxing ring and restricted in the corners


look at the roster guys, there is no debate
ufc-cro cop, liddell, couture(still a hugh name and draw), st peire, hughes, bj penn, rampage,tito(i hate him but still a big name),and tons more

then you got the young guys who will be future stars like forrest and tons others

pride now that silva is lost twice in a raw, has only one huge big name star which is fedor, i know they have others, but im talking about guys that can headline a ppv and even casual fans know of him, i gues shogun to, but still 2 names compared to ufc is nothing

[chungt79]

you claim you're not a troll but you sure sound like one by your ignorance. There is no point of making a discussion on this because we all discussed this topic already and just because you watched a Pride event once, doesnt make you an expert. Looking at the things you stated, you dont really have an idea about Pride.

If you dont care for better fights? Why do you watch MMA again?

UFC better fighters? Fedor? Noguiera? Barnnett? Kang? Filho? Wand? Shogun? Hendo? These ar ejust tip of iceberg. WTF you talking about?

Conclusion. You're an idiot. If you want to argue these points, at least make it intelligible. Your arguments are weak and just waste of time.

[Clint]

Originally Posted by stevecorino

as good as ufc's, you know what i agree iv been making to many threads, so ill try to keep them down, im not a troll

but everybody is saying on here dont start a pride vs ufc war, i say lets have discussion about it, thats what this board is about

i just have a few points to make about pride, but before i do i just wanted to make clear, weather you agree or not please stop with the childish remarks and lets have an open healthy discussion

I have no problem with a discussion

-pride's whole presention including announcers are terrible, i dont care how good the fights are the announcers are so annoying, ufc has FAR better presentition

It's hard to argue that Goldberg is a better announcer than Barnett. I thought Barnett did an excellent job announcing, especially since this was his first time. Trigg I could do without but he's still better than Goldberg.

Rogan on the other hand I really like, and prefer over the current Pride announcers.

-top to bottom ufc has far better fighters, they have a ppv EVERY month, when pride has one every 2 months, ufc has major big names, and cro cop and rampage just add to that, pride's 2 biggest names that are most well known are silva dna fedor, now that silva lost that puts pride in a deeper hole

So are we talking about better fighters or more popular fighters, there is a difference. Pride has as many if not more top quality fighters than the UFC. Look at most top 10 lists and compare the number of UFC guys to Pride guys.

-ufc popularity is soaring and ppv's buys are destorying pride and even outdoing boxing, its just a matter of time before ufc becomes mainstream

This is true. Pride's PPV numbers sucked horrifically for the first event and are probably just as bad with this one. UFC is on the other hand pulling big numbers consistently. This however doesn't mean that their PPVs are neccisarily better.

Examples:
*Microsoft controls 90% of the Operating system market but their product isn't as good as Linux or Macintosh
* McDonalds sells more food than pretty any other restaurant in the world but their food isn't better by any means than the other places.

-pride lost its tv deal and possibly maybe up for sale very soon

Again true but doesn't have anything to do with the quality of the PPVs (other than the possible fact that fighters will leave in the future)

-i dont care what anybody says, that ring is terrible compared to the octagon, the cage is better, you dont get tangled up, and the ring feels like a boxing ring and restricted in the corners

I agree here. I personally don't like the ring. It disrupts the flow too much for my taste.

look at the roster guys, there is no debate
ufc-cro cop, liddell, couture(still a hugh name and draw), st peire, hughes, bj penn, rampage,tito(i hate him but still a big name),and tons more

then you got the young guys who will be future stars like forrest and tons others

pride now that silva is lost twice in a raw, has only one huge big name star which is fedor, i know they have others, but im talking about guys that can headline a ppv and even casual fans know of him, i gues shogun to, but still 2 names compared to ufc is nothing

This is an unfair comparison. You are comparing how many big names (to the US audience) that each has BUT it doesn't factor in that Pride has a ton of names that will pack stadiums in Japan like Tito/Liddell will here.

[BigBanda]

Originally Posted by stevecorino

as good as ufc's, you know what i agree iv been making to many threads, so ill try to keep them down, im not a troll

but everybody is saying on here dont start a pride vs ufc war, i say lets have discussion about it, thats what this board is about

i just have a few points to make about pride, but before i do i just wanted to make clear, weather you agree or not please stop with the childish remarks and lets have an open healthy discussion

-pride's whole presention including announcers are terrible, i dont care how good the fights are the announcers are so annoying, ufc has FAR better presentition
-top to bottom ufc has far better fighters, they have a ppv EVERY month, when pride has one every 2 months, ufc has major big names, and cro cop and rampage just add to that, pride's 2 biggest names that are most well known are silva dna fedor, now that silva lost that puts pride in a deeper hole
-ufc popularity is soaring and ppv's buys are destorying pride and even outdoing boxing, its just a matter of time before ufc becomes mainstream
-pride lost its tv deal and possibly maybe up for sale very soon
-i dont care what anybody says, that ring is terrible compared to the octagon, the cage is better, you dont get tangled up, and the ring feels like a boxing ring and restricted in the corners


look at the roster guys, there is no debate
ufc-cro cop, liddell, couture(still a hugh name and draw), st peire, hughes, bj penn, rampage,tito(i hate him but still a big name),and tons more

then you got the young guys who will be future stars like forrest and tons others

pride now that silva is lost twice in a raw, has only one huge big name star which is fedor, i know they have others, but im talking about guys that can headline a ppv and even casual fans know of him, i gues shogun to, but still 2 names compared to ufc is nothing

I think it is blatantly obvious you do not know much about Pride very much at all. I agree with Clint, you are stating the "big names" and that is it.

[paintstik]

This stevecorino IS a troll. I know he admitted to making too many threads, but unless his quality of posting actually rises and he doesn't talk out his ass like he knows all, I will continue to label him as such.

[Dominus]

Originally Posted by stevecorino

as good as ufc's, you know what i agree iv been making to many threads, so ill try to keep them down, im not a troll

but everybody is saying on here dont start a pride vs ufc war, i say lets have discussion about it, thats what this board is about

i just have a few points to make about pride, but before i do i just wanted to make clear, weather you agree or not please stop with the childish remarks and lets have an open healthy discussion

-pride's whole presention including announcers are terrible, i dont care how good the fights are the announcers are so annoying, ufc has FAR better presentition
-top to bottom ufc has far better fighters, they have a ppv EVERY month, when pride has one every 2 months, ufc has major big names, and cro cop and rampage just add to that, pride's 2 biggest names that are most well known are silva dna fedor, now that silva lost that puts pride in a deeper hole
-ufc popularity is soaring and ppv's buys are destorying pride and even outdoing boxing, its just a matter of time before ufc becomes mainstream
-pride lost its tv deal and possibly maybe up for sale very soon
-i dont care what anybody says, that ring is terrible compared to the octagon, the cage is better, you dont get tangled up, and the ring feels like a boxing ring and restricted in the corners


look at the roster guys, there is no debate
ufc-cro cop, liddell, couture(still a hugh name and draw), st peire, hughes, bj penn, rampage,tito(i hate him but still a big name),and tons more

then you got the young guys who will be future stars like forrest and tons others

pride now that silva is lost twice in a raw, has only one huge big name star which is fedor, i know they have others, but im talking about guys that can headline a ppv and even casual fans know of him, i gues shogun to, but still 2 names compared to ufc is nothing

I would say that the Pride Presentation for American viewers is a totally different experience for the rest of the world. In your North American opinion Pride doesn't have great show presentation.

Pride shows are not just MMA matches, they are a huge production. The lights, the entrances, the music all go hand in hand with their MMA matches. Just because it doesn't translate in
North America, doesn't mean it's not as good as the UFC.

In all actuality Pride puts on a much better show than UFC does. If this production was done by an American company, it would be amazing for Americans, but since the main audience for Pride PPV is Japan, they have to have more of a Asian influence.

Pride gives you double the matches, higher quality matches and also doesn't fill the PPV with tonnes of Commercials and advertisements between matches. The action is fast paced and once one match ends, the next match is about to start. Pride clearly puts more effort, and more excitement in their PPV's.

UFC having far better fighters is crazy. but far better fighters? I don't even know what to say.

Remember being a big Draw in American and being a great fighter are not the same thing. Forrest is a big draw? You can't judge the quality of fighters based on a one dementional perspective presented to you by the UFC.

When have you seen top UFC fighters go tooth and nail like in Pride? I think Tim Sylvia represents the majority of the UFC roster very well. There are a lot of fighter that don't want to finish, they just don't want to get KO'd. They would rather win a decision that take some heavy shots.

[tapper]

where do i start, you are obviously uneducated in the world of mma, your claims are completely obsurd, you sound like a ufc nutthugging kid, to think that the ufc has better fighters or puts on a better show is crazy.

compare the top 10 of each weight class, see how many work where. if that isn't simple enough, try reading more and typing less.

[b0sH]

Yeah I mean a lot of what this guy says I could probably shit onto a piece of paper and present a better put together argument, however there are tiny shards of truth in there.

UFC puts together shows that I think are better suited to an American / European audience, thats not so much a criticism of Pride but simply reflects where they both originated.

As far as rosters go Pride still has the better roster if you were to look at the top10 fighters per division Pride still wins the numbers game.

However the one thing I will say is that Pride may have some difficulty marketing some of their top tier fighters like Nog, Wandy and Gomi after their respective loses on American soil. If that were the first time that you had seen those fighters on a PPV, would you then shell out the cash should one of them be main eventing or high on a card? First impressions count big time and I'm just wondering whether the more casual fan, which makes up a big part of the demographic, would be put off shelling out cash to watch some1 thats just been smashed, being billed as a drawing star. It's just me thinking out loud here but possibly worth mulling over.

[Afro]

Pride has a deeper roster of talent, just as many top guys as UFC

but when it coems down to it

UFCs top LHW is talented enough to beat everyone in Prides LHW division (not saying he would)

UFCs top MW.. not too sure but hes talented enough to compete strong in Prides MW division

UFCs top WW can beat Prides non-exisisting MWs

UFCs Top LW is talented enough to beat all of Prides LWs maybe

UFCs Top HW.. still not convinced but he wouldnt be a can in Prides HW division

I think we as fans did overexaggerate Prides talent, but that doesnt mean they arent the superior roster.. we simply painted Prides fighters as invincible, and this fight card was a reality check

[tapper]

what is this we shit, your the one who always puts gomi and wand (penn)on such a high pedestal. the recent pride ppv wasn't anything enlightning, it just shows that anything can happen, and did. and i still believe the outcomes would be different if the fights were in japan (rules), not all of them but some.