was renzo faking? - Page 2

tapper · #11 (**permalink**) 02-11-2007, 01:24 PM

renzo might have been winning up to that point, but barely. he got points for the takedowns but then got stood up for not doing anything, and frank was starting to catch him while standing, he rocked him before renzo took him down again, and held him in that boring ass t-pin again. with that said, i dont think he was faking, i will give him the benefit of the doubt, he deserves that, but why he didn't go to the hospital is strange, isn't there a doctor that has to make him go as a precaution, with a medical report to follow.

gggg · #12 (**permalink**) 02-11-2007, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by tapper

renzo might have been winning up to that point, but barely. he got points for the takedowns but then got stood up for not doing anything, and frank was starting to catch him while standing, he rocked him before renzo took him down again, and held him in that boring ass t-pin again. with that said, i dont think he was faking, i will give him the benefit of the doubt, he deserves that, but why he didn't go to the hospital is strange, isn't there a doctor that has to make him go as a precaution, with a medical report to follow.

reading part of this interview he did end up going to the hospital

He held my head to set up for the knee,” Gracie said at 4 a.m. after being discharged from Baptist Memorial Hospital-DeSoto.

Ubermensch · #13 (**permalink**) 02-11-2007, 02:12 PM

I don't think he was faking just because I saw the eye test going on and was watching his eyes he had the typical jerky motions in the eye. However I do think he was exaggerating how bad it was.

Krazikarl · #14 (**permalink**) 02-11-2007, 02:13 PM

A lot of injuries can be sustained from situations that dont look that bad at all. I think we have all seen people blow out knees on what looks like nothing and get knocked out from punches that dont look that hard, but hit just right.

If anything the Gracie camp was saying after the fight was true, then clearly he was not faking. In order for him to be faking, a LOT of peopl ewould have to be lying. So, you should probably give him the benefit of the doubt until you learn otherwise since Shamrock was clearly the one throwing illegal knees and was clearly the one being as ass after the fight.

JimmyMoore · #15 (**permalink**) 02-11-2007, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by The Sundance Kid

I think Renzo has MORE than earned the benefit of doubt. Shouldn't even be a question.

Exxactly! When you opt to have your arm broken instead of tap out, youve earned the right to not have your courage questioned. Knees to the back of the neck and head are no joke.

The Iceman · #16 (**permalink**) 02-11-2007, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Ubermensch

I don't think he was faking just because I saw the eye test going on and was watching his eyes he had the typical jerky motions in the eye. However I do think he was exaggerating how bad it was.

^^ yeah I'm going 2 have 2 agree with you there.

killerinstinct · #17 (**permalink**) 02-11-2007, 03:47 PM

Renzo wasn't faking.It wasn't his fault he was kneed in the head.So what he didn't want to go to a doctor ,I'm the same way ,I hate going to doctors and I always feel whatever's wrong with me will take care of itself.I usually have to be persuaded to go to a doctor.We're talking about the same guy who'd rather have his arm broken than tap out ,I'm more than sure he wasn't faking.

staindrocks · #18 (**permalink**) 02-11-2007, 05:43 PM

There is no doubt in my mind that Renzo was faking! Give me a break, it was so obvious, which is why the question is being asked by the whole MMA world. I have(had) all the respect in the world for Renzo. I was as impressed with his toughness as anyone when he didn't tap dispite a broken arm, but that was then, and this is now. I don't understand his motivation for wanting to quit, but he definitely did want to quit. As soon as the ref stopped the action, he started to grab his face like that's where he took the knee. Sorry bud, but the knee hit the back of your neck, not your face! And then he wanted to quit immediately without even taking his 5 minutes to recover from his alleged injury. These MMA refs have refereed so many fights that they have a pretty good idea about when a fighter is seriously hurt, and the ref in this fight totally expected Renzo to be able to continue. He has the best seat in the house, which is why he basically made Renzo wait at least the 5 minutes before quiting, even though Renzo wanted to quit immediately. I've seen many fighters get knocked out cold and then regain conciousness when they hit the mat...and every one of them wants to continue fighting. When the ref stops the fight, they are devestated that the ref didn't allow them to continue. And out of every fighter i've ever seen get knocked out cold, i've also seen every one of them walking around under their own power within 2-3 minutes. This guy never even lost conciousness, and was still acting like he couldn't stand up on his own even 4-5 minutes later! Were you guys looking at the same knee strikes that i saw? They weren't the kind of strikes that would knock someone out. It would be one thing if he started grabbing the back of his neck and was complaining of a neck injury, but that simply wasn't the case. Like i said, i had all the respect in the world for Renzo, but not any more. If he was any other fighter, everyone would be saying the same thing. But people want to give him a pass just because he's a Gracie. Sorry, but that shouldn't factor into it at all. I think most people had great respect for Roberto Duran and thought of him as a tough guy...but dispite his reputation for being a tough guy in Boxing, he still said "No Mas" and quit in his fight against Sugar Ray Leonard. It was totally out of character, and still to this day nobody understands why he quit, but the fact remains that he did quit. The same is true when i think about Renzo...I don't understand why he quit, and i'll admit that it is out of his character to quit, but none of that changes the fact that he did obviously want to quit...and so he did!

Thaistylist · #19 (**permalink**) 02-11-2007, 06:32 PM

I cant understand that after all Renzo has done and proven people think he is a fake. Its ridiculous to accuse such an honorable man of such a thing

Krazikarl · #20 (**permalink**) 02-11-2007, 06:33 PM

Your entire post in stupid beyond belief. Knocking somebody out isnt the same as a concussion. But, there is no way in hell that you want to fight with a concussion, and you often know that you got a concussion when you are hit right. There are reports that he was vomiting and all that, which is a pretty damn good sign that it was a concussion. If he felt like vomiting and knew he had a concussion, of course hes not going to want to sit in the ring for 5 minutes when he already knows that he cant continue.

Hits to the spine and the back of the head are also COMPLETELY different that hits to most parts of the skull. So people react differently when they are hit in the skull or the spine/back of head. You are basically arguing that because somebody stubbed his toe once and wanted to still fight, that Renzo should have wanted to fight despite the fact that somebody hit him in the back of the head. Apples and oranges. You cant compare completely different kinds of strikes to different parts of the body with whatever you want.

If you've ever had a sports induced concussion, you would know that a lot of the time the pain isnt localized to one part of the skull. It just hurts in general, so clutching the face doesnt necessarily mean that he was trying to fake. Thats like the default place to clutch when injured. Plus, he would have to be completely idiotic to try to fake an injury by clutching somebody that obviously wasnt hit.