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[tmatwig]

Originally Posted by AJL416AZ

lol, going down? he won 1 and half rounds of domination on the ground, took Frankie down repeatedly. last i checked, knee to belly and side mount repeatedly is not just stalling until you get KOd

maybe some of you guys should learn some more ground game, or watch some more MMA if you dont know the rules against knees against downed fighters in the US or basic BJJ positions and their importance.
i guess if you dont throw GnP like a motherfucker, you MUST be just doing nothing and therefore losing. just like getting stuck in bad positions multiple times until the standup is winning. right?

and i never threatened you, i just called out your hero for being a punk bitch and cheating. sorry if you think thats a threat, but blow it out your ass

man your a jackass i dont even like shamrock but with your knowledge you could teach us all about mma, the positions are only important if your doing something with them not just laying there

[subman]

Originally Posted by tmatwig

i must have missed when did renzo do any sort of damage, shamrock was even working from the bottom, renzo game plan was lay and pray all the way

That is the fight I was watching as well. Yes, maybe Renzo could have worked for a submission, but Shamrock was doing all the damage. Renzo was already gassed.

But, for the record, the knees WERE lame. There is no way Shamrock can claim he didn't know he was throwing illegal knees.

How sore are Renzo's kidneys going to be after the 20 or so knees he took to the side?

[AJL416AZ]

Originally Posted by tmatwig

man your a jackass i dont even like shamrock but with your knowledge you could teach us all about mma, the positions are only important if your doing something with them not just laying there

i'm sorry that i dont like cheating

when a sub guy grabs knee to the belly, he is working for the armbar 99% of the time. Renzo just kept getting stood up for it

i could give a fuck if you lay there, then stand them up, which they did. not Renzo's fault Frank kept getting taken down easily and losing guard

you DO NOT win fights when you are side mounted. there is literally NO way to do it in that position that is not knees to the head, which are illegal in the US.

[tmatwig]

Originally Posted by subman

That is the fight I was watching as well. Yes, maybe Renzo could have worked for a submission, but Shamrock was doing all the damage. Renzo was already gassed.

But, for the record, the knees WERE lame. There is no way Shamrock can claim he didn't know he was throwing illegal knees.

How sore are Renzo's kidneys going to be after the 20 or so knees he took to the side?

thank you subman, his side has to be hurting from the knees, it would have been interesting to see how the refs would have scored it, i think they were about to get stood up

[ronin]

Knees to a ground opponent are illegal period.
He should has been disqualified immediately not issued a warning.
And both were to the back on the neck.

Also you can hear franks wife later in the cage saying he renzo pussy-ed out and frank nodding yeah.

[tmatwig]

Originally Posted by AJL416AZ

i'm sorry that i dont like cheating

when a sub guy grabs knee to the belly, he is working for the armbar 99% of the time. Renzo just kept getting stood up for it

i could give a fuck if you lay there, then stand them up, which they did. not Renzo's fault Frank kept getting taken down easily and losing guard

you DO NOT win fights when you are side mounted. there is literally NO way to do it in that position that is not knees to the head, which are illegal in the US.

he was working for subs, but i dont think working for subs wins fights, i thought frank would of had better take down defense, i never once said i liked frank but i think he can compete with the top guys, him and baroni should be half way interesting

[AJL416AZ]

the first round was 10-9 according to most MMA websites because after some good standup from Frank, the rest was all Renzo, with multiple takedowns and good position.

2nd was looking the same.

[AJL416AZ]

Originally Posted by tmatwig

he was working for subs, but i dont think working for subs wins fights, i thought frank would of had better take down defense, i never once said i liked frank but i think he can compete with the top guys, him and baroni should be half way interesting

i'm a little biased because of the cheating, but i do agree most of the time, LnP pisses me off, but mainly from wrestlers lying in guard just throwing little punches to avoid the standup game.
but with sub guys, its mostly accepted. thats why Arona and Filho are boring until they get good position, and really lock something up and start going for the sub.
sub guys just do what work is necessary to make sure it stays on the ground and just work for the sub, normally from a dominant position. and position is worth a lot of points to the judges, even the retarded ass American judges


and NYBA vs Shamrock will be very interesting, because they will bang it out. frank has shit wrestling, and Phil is good at it.
however, outside of the wrestling aspect, Phil has weak ground game, his sub defense and escapes are decent because he can muscle out of a lot of attempts, but if it hits the ground, look for a sub from Shammy, as little respect i have now, his sub game is sick, he transitions like a motherfucker, just chaining all of his attempts together until he finds one that works

[tmatwig]

Originally Posted by AJL416AZ

i'm a little biased because of the cheating, but i do agree most of the time, LnP pisses me off, but mainly from wrestlers lying in guard just throwing little punches to avoid the standup game.
but with sub guys, its mostly accepted. thats why Arona and Filho are boring until they get good position, and really lock something up and start going for the sub.
sub guys just do what work is necessary to make sure it stays on the ground and just work for the sub, normally from a dominant position. and position is worth a lot of points to the judges, even the retarded ass American judges

this is a hard org for submission fighters with the 15 second clock, they have to throw punches to not get stood up

[subman]

Originally Posted by AJL416AZ

getting stood up every 15 seconds when you are a BJJ guy, not a GnP guy, tends to do that for you

on the other hand, maybe Pride should instate these rules for every Arona fight. ever.

They got stood up was it two or three times? I thought the first stand up was bogus, but after that early one, Renzo was not improving his position, or trying to go for anything. He would have been yellow carded in Pride for his stalling.

In fairness to Arona, he has been put in fights with mostly ground game opponents. He is a dominant wrestler, so he does what he does best. Show me an Arona fight where he had side control as many times as Renzo did tonight, and did nothing, like Renzo.