15 second standup rule

[Hypergit]

Just thought I'd preemptively start a thread to complain, support, or express indifference to the 15 second rule before and after EXC.

It really could be great or terrible depending on how the wording of the rule is interpreted. At the extremes of the interpretation we could basically end up with San Shou, or with UFC rules but with the ridiculously ambiguous stand up rule remedied (it currently seems to give LnP practitioners time in exact inverse correlation to the number of booing fans, or simply at the whim of the referee).

Here's hoping it works well. If it does, then imo it should be used by other orgs too.

Predictions?

[Gmunit]

i think it all depends on how they call it, if its 15 seconds of no action, or trying to advance your position, then OK call it up, but if they hit the ground and 15 seconds starts, then the rule is shit

i predict this rule will cause Renzo to get KO'd

[bigaxel123]

Yea I agree. If Renzo only has 15 secs, he'll get rocked Joe Rogan style.

[Steve88]

this is going to be interesting, i hope it's 15 seconds of doing nothing...

[TheBonger]

it is defiently one of the more interesting aspect of tonights cards, Seeing how this rule will be implemented. It could go either way, could be the best thing to happen to MMA since sanctioning or it could be the worst. If the ref just starts counting to 15 as soon as they go to the ground it will be BAD. But if they have properly trained there refs on this rule and it has to be 15 secs of inactive stalling then its a great rule. As with most rules or laws, we are going to have to wait and see how its enforced to know its true value.

[kickass32]

I don't know.......it seems to give a HUGE advantage to the stand-up fighters....I love a good stand-up war, but it seems like it's too lop sided in favour of the strikers.......
I was watching an old show on the fight network, (forget what org.) from 1996, I think....but anyways, they had an automatic 2 min rule.....as soon as the fight hit the mat, there was a 2 minute countdown, and the fight was restarted on their feet...........I don't like it....

[Hypergit]

Originally Posted by kickass32

I don't know.......it seems to give a HUGE advantage to the stand-up fighters

Only if they're facing a LnPer (which is ground, but isn't 'fighting' imo). Active ground fighters shouldn't have much to fear from the rule.

[kickass32]

Yeah, I guess, if they are allowing the fighters to fight on the ground, thats fine, but I think it's a hard rule to interpert, and enforce.........if you have a BJJ guy on his back working ffor a submission, with not much action....is it fair to stand them back up and take the submission game out of the fight??

[Kimuras"R"Us]

Yeah you've all hit it pretty much on the head. It's all up the inerpretation of the rule, but more importantly the knowledge of the refs. If a BJJ, Sambo,or any other submission guy is methodically working for something the 15 seconds shouldn't be in effect. It should only be for LnP guys...

[Trustym2]

Here's the official word from 411mania.com's article 10 things you should know about elitexc

"6. EliteXC is not biased against ground fighting. The company did a poor job of properly explaining their plans for a 15-second clock. Some people's understanding of the rule was that a 15-second clock would start ticking as soon as a fight goes to the ground. Not so. The clock will only commence if a referee feels a fighter isn't being active enough on the ground. The referee will issue a warning and will then have the option of activating the clock. The fighter will then have 15 seconds to begin to advance the fight while on the mat or be stood up.

When you stop and think about it, EliteXC's rules are more favorable towards action on the ground compared to other promotions. In other promotions, a fighter can be stood up with little or no warning whereas a fighter in EliteXC will have a formal warning and 15 seconds to convince the referee that the fight should stay on the mat."