I have my doubts and gotta ask

[Ubermensch]

<===Is that Chris Leben??

[Dan0]

Originally Posted by liddell316

Like Randy said, being in the feetle position isn't intelligently defending yourself. Tito wasn't doing anything, it wasn't a great stoppage, but not a terrible one.

I've gotta answer your quote with part of mine.

Originally Posted by Dan0

Referee Yamasaki stopped the fight because in his eyes, and in his mind (I guess) Tito was not able to intelligently defend himself. At the moment Yamasaki was stopping the fight, at that instance he stood over the fighters. It looked as though he was telling Tito (in his own verbiage) to make an effort to intelligently defend himself, then, at the last moment, at the moment of the end, it looked as though Tito made one last kick/challenge to escape the onslaught of Chuck’s attack. The fight was stopped and Tito stayed on his knees for just a moment then ascended to his feet without effort.

The fight ended and Tito manned up. Tito showed respect to his opponent, he acknowledged his defeat, he told the world Chuck IS the best on the PLANET.

So, my question is (I acknowledge as mentioned above I wasn’t there, and that I may be planting a seed of doubt) was Tito’s last kick effort, this last ounce of effort, the final moment the fight ended – at this point was it a WWE pre-choreographed moment?????????

Watch the fight again, and then again.

If I’m full of $H!+ so be it.

Thanks for your input.

[Dan0]

Originally Posted by Soul_Edge

....when Buffer was announcing the winner, Tito said "I tried..." Do you think Tito actually believed he could win?....

Well that's even more reason to raise a doubt about the ending. That just doesn't sound like Tito, does it???

[Dan0]

Originally Posted by TreK

My buds and I watched the show on PPV last night. They showed the replay several times from different angles and after review, all in attendence agreed that the ref stopping the fight was the right call.

Yamasaki is typically the type of ref to stop the fight early so, after Tito took the shot that caused him to lose his footing, I thought the Ref was going to stop it but, let it go... I swear, Dana pulled Steve aside and said... don't stop this one too early dude!

Also, in the replay, Tito made his last effort to put some distance between himself and Liddell only after the ref stepped in. Prior to that... he was just turtling up and taking a beating...

Great fight though... I don't know how Eddie Bravo thought that Ortiz won the 2nd round.

Yamasaki's call was, in his mind the right call. I'm not questioning the ref. You and your buds watched on PPV, replays while I only had Video, that I could only stop, start, reverse, slow mo, inhance, enlarge and slow reverse.

BTW were any of you or your buds consuming alcoholic beverages???? (Just Kidding)

[Cromm]

Originally Posted by Dan0

So, my question is (I acknowledge as mentioned above I wasn’t there, and that I may be planting a seed of doubt) was Tito’s last kick effort, this last ounce of effort, the final moment the fight ended – at this point was it a WWE pre-choreographed moment?????????

WTF..... Are you serious? For your sake I am going to assume your joking.

[Palma]

Originally Posted by LILMAC

It's fine I just hate when people start with the taking a dive theory in MMA. Keep that talk in the boxing section.

Are you saying it has never happened before?

[Cromm]

I read the thread at this point and I can see why you would have doubts, however IMO Tito tried at the end because he knew it was do or die at that point. From the position of the Ref I would assume it was taken as to little to late. I have questioned some of Yamasaki(sp) past decisions, however I felt this was a legitimate call. Tito rolled onto his side and did not attempt to better his positioning(push off Lidells hips, pull guard, anything), If I was a ref and saw that many unanswered punches I would stop it as well. I believe originally Tito did try and devolop a character much like a WWE actor would acquire the "heel" role. However I dont think Tito or Chucks PRIDE would allow such a thing.

[Dan0]

Originally Posted by Cromm

WTF..... Are you serious? For your sake I am going to assume your joking.

Yes I'm serious, and No!!!!! I'm NOT joking.

[DW]

Originally Posted by Dan0

If I’m full of $H!+ so be it.

YEP, YA ARE

[Dan0]

Originally Posted by theDonTurtle

YEP, YA ARE

WOW all that verbiage above yours and that's the best you can do. Very profound.