Ufc Referees??????

chenny007 · #1 (**permalink**) 12-31-2006, 03:04 AM

You gotta wonder what the criteria is for being a UFC REF...I mean the job they did 2nite, Big Jon excluded, was a disaster....Herb Dean looked like a retard trying to fuck a doorknob in there...."Dont do that...Stand up....Oh, you dont want to...OK, stay there...Dont do that again though"......Come on...

And the stoppages....Weather you think some fights are stopped 2 soon or 2 late, the problem is theres no consistency...I personally think the "Intelligent Defense" is too open for interpretation...In my opinion, a man should be OUT or taking SERIOUS DAMAGE for the ref to stop the fight...PERIOD...Tonight....Griffin vs Jardine was a good stoppage...Forrest was getting rocked and taking some CLEAN shots...He was out...Alves vs DeSouza was good..Big Jon let the men fight...Desouza was in a BAD spot but he wasnt out and you never know what can happen...Hes earned the right to fight, and Big Jon gave him that chance.....And Tito vs Chuck....I dont get it at all....Tito didnt complain and I give him credit, but the fight couldve/shouldve continued...He was in the same position in the first round and came out of it...The third round was no different...There werent even any clean blows landing...Out come may not have been any different but thats not the point...The name of the game should be Knock out, Tap out, or Decision.....

uvsc22 · #2 (**permalink**) 12-31-2006, 03:36 AM

Buddy, we would all like to see it the way you want it to happen, fight until a KO and not referee stoppage. But that wont happen, the sport is too mainstream to have bad brutal fights, it would be like the old days of UFC. That is why I think it is accepted by the general public is because the officials are looking out for the fighters safety also.
The sport is too popular now to be even as hardcore as pride...
But I do agree that they are very inconcistent with eachother...other than Big jon

corparate · #3 (**permalink**) 12-31-2006, 03:37 AM

Really unless your in the ring you don't know whats really going on. Just because your covering your head doesn't mean your not out. I think there is a line of so much punishment you can take and still not be out but be done in the fight. I didnt' think there were any bad stops tonight.

Bran · #4 (**permalink**) 12-31-2006, 04:49 AM

the tito stoppage reminded me of when matt lindland beat pat miletich. lindland was pounding him, but all the shots were hitting his forearms and he wasn't really taking any damage, just like tito. those are always tough calls b/c otherwise the guy is just gonna punch his arms for the rest of the fight.

Palma · #5 (**permalink**) 12-31-2006, 04:54 AM

I really don't know why anyone deffends these bums.

dagreat1 · #6 (**permalink**) 12-31-2006, 04:58 AM

The ref's are all sanctioned bodies, Cecil People (one of the UFC Judges) is a former kickboxign ref (one of the very worst ever), these are just ref's sactioned adn licensed in the state of Nevada so the UFC could change them at anytime, however they are familiar with the refs they have and they seem to do pretty well the vast majority of the time.

IMO it was great to have Maz reffing the main event as McCarthy would've stopped that fight so early.

I liked how he let te Alves fight continue in the first round but when it comes to main events, it really seems like McCarthy likes to be involved, IMO far too much so we would've seen an even earlier stoppage.

You must also realize that the UFC is being watched like hawks, people are against MMA and want to see it fail, they want fights to be continued and want to see someone get brutalized for the sake of trying to bastardize the sport even further. In addition you do not want a fighter to take too much punishment and if you are not in a good position to call it, you should not call it as there is no instant replay in MMA so when you stop a fight early, there is no overturnign the decision.

Let them go until someone is limp or is getting brutalized, an arm up, blocking strikes is still intelligently defending, Tito's arm is as big as his head and it was covering nearly his entire face, he was fine.

Palma · #7 (**permalink**) 12-31-2006, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by dagreat1

Tito's arm is as big as his head and it was covering nearly his entire face, he was fine.

I don't think people are complaining about that fight as much as AA's fight.

dagreat1 · #8 (**permalink**) 12-31-2006, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Palma Wrestler

I don't think people are complaining about that fight as much as AA's fight.

At first I was pissed about it as it looked like a sucker punch (as I missed the fuggin punch because I was explaining to someone what was going on) but after the replay it was clear that Cruz was an idiot for just sitting there, the punch was thrown 3-5 seconds after the fight was continued. IMO it was a bad move by Herb to stop the fight after the kick on the ground, he should've just issued a verbal warning without stopping the fight, just say "No don't do that again", it would've had the same effect.

Palma · #9 (**permalink**) 12-31-2006, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by dagreat1

At first I was pissed about it as it looked like a sucker punch (as I missed the fuggin punch because I was explaining to someone what was going on) but after the replay it was clear that Cruz was an idiot for just sitting there, the punch was thrown 3-5 seconds after the fight was continued. IMO it was a bad move by Herb to stop the fight after the kick on the ground, he should've just issued a verbal warning without stopping the fight, just say "No don't do that again", it would've had the same effect.

Dean took the whole fight out of rythm. I still don't think Cruz would have won, but I do think the fight ended earlier then it should have because of Dean.

Lindypmp · #10 (**permalink**) 12-31-2006, 06:57 AM

It looked like Dean stopped the fight to make sure that Cruz would have time to recover. I don't think he saw if the kick landed clean or not. Then when he tried to stand them up to reset Cruz said no. While I agree that in hindsight it turned out bad for Cruz to just give his chin to AA like that, Dean was trying to make sure that AA wouldn't capitlize on an illegal kick.

It's not his fault for doing his job. Imagine if he didn't stop the fight and that kick did land clean what everyone would say.