can you say lay and pray

[dagreat1]

Originally Posted by iced

i don't think so man. and even if kos could take diego down, sanchez would pull a reversal emmidiatley. he is way too quick and slippery on the ground for kos. i don't see kos getting past the 1st round.

i am tired of the people that they are setting josh up to fight(nothing against jeff joslin). kos is on a nice winning streak, and has been running his mouth about he thinks he's a top contender......i say they feed him to fitch or karo next! or maybe they should just have him fight jonathan goulet again.......anyone will look allmighty fighting him.

I dunno about Karo, he had trouble with his cardio in his past 2 fights, I think he loses to Koscheck without a doubt. He is world class at shifting his body weight, his Judo is some of the best but Koscheck's wrstling and relentlessness is some of the best and his cardio is better than Karo's, I think he would wear Karo down.

His wrestling is better than Fitch's as well, Matt Hughes dominated for many years with ONLY a ground game, great wrestling and a great sub game, Kos does not have the sub game YET but his wrestlin is phenomenal and some of the best in MMA, certainly the best in the UFC bar none. His standup still needs to improve, I would suggest training with an Olympic boxing team, look at what it has done for the Nog Brothers (they are both world class boxers now and Lil Nog is the South American HW champion and will be boxing in the 08 Olympics), look what the Mexican boxing team has done for Diego, IMO Koscheck needs a new boxing camp and that will increase his game tremendously.

[Boo]

I guess I'm going to have to disagree with the majority of you. I believe that it wasn't that Kos was so bad, it was that Joslin is that good at avoiding punishment. Joslin just showed that he is a good at BJJ. Someone who excels at BJJ is an expert at avoiding punishment in the guard. Didn't you guys see how effectively he used the butterfly to keep Kos from getting stable footing and how he was constantly moving his hips and adjusting position? A lesser fighter would have been taken out in the first round by Kos.

Personally I don't like Koscheck, but I think eventually he'll be a force in the welterweight division. Mark my words!

[AJL416AZ]

Originally Posted by Rockx

This match up made for a boring fight because of this:

Striking: Joslin > Koscheck
Takedowns: koscheck > joslin
Guard: Joslin > Koscheck
Ground Control: Koscheck > Joslin

All of these things = boring fight, because Koscheck is just going to take Joslin down because he is getting outstruck, when on the ground Joslin had such a good guard Koscheck couldn't do anything to him, however Josline was outdone by Koschecks physicality so he couldn't escape.

I think Koscheck has improved a lot, but he needs to learn that if you are going to take someone down you need to work past a good guard and GnP or get some submissions. At least work for a damn arm or something.

I think he is a B- fighter. Jon Fitch would tear him up and Diego would too.

i agree with everything except one thing. koscheck does not have better ground control. he failed to pass guard a single time. all he did was land the takedown, 2 clean ones, where he couldnt stop joslin from getting back to guard.

Kos won with just wrestling. again.

[Nate_Deezy]

I don't see how you guys can constantly hate on Koscheck...out of his 9 fights, only 3 of them have gone to decision not counting his fights on TUF. Before he was on the show, he only had 2 pro MMA fights, and not that much MMA experience in general. He was just a wrestler. It is amazing to me how fast he's evolving. What really makes me mad is people bashing on Kos, but raving about Rashad. Rashad is the same story. Wrestler turned MMA fighter.

I already mentioned that Kos only has 3 decisions out of 9 fights, well out of Rashad's 9 fights, he has 5 decisions. That's more than half of his fights...and 3 out of his 4 UFC fights were by decision. Kos on the other hand, has gone to decision twice in the UFC, won 3 of his 6 UFC fights by stoppage, whether by strikes or submission, and lost one of his fights against Drew Fickett because he kept trying to press the action and got caught. Something a guy like Rashad knows nothing about, due to him wanting to preserve his perfect record.

[chungt79]

Originally Posted by Nate_Deezy

I don't see how you guys can constantly hate on Koscheck...out of his 9 fights, only 3 of them have gone to decision not counting his fights on TUF. Before he was on the show, he only had 2 pro MMA fights, and not that much MMA experience in general. He was just a wrestler. It is amazing to me how fast he's evolving. What really makes me mad is people bashing on Kos, but raving about Rashad. Rashad is the same story. Wrestler turned MMA fighter.

I already mentioned that Kos only has 3 decisions out of 9 fights, well out of Rashad's 9 fights, he has 5 decisions. That's more than half of his fights...and 3 out of his 4 UFC fights were by decision. Kos on the other hand, has gone to decision twice in the UFC, won 3 of his 6 UFC fights by stoppage, whether by strikes or submission, and lost one of his fights against Drew Fickett because he kept trying to press the action and got caught. Something a guy like Rashad knows nothing about, due to him wanting to preserve his perfect record.

Rashad and Koscheck are not on a same level. Rashad is legit while Koscheck has A LOT of room to improve. And as I expressed already, I am not interested in watching the process of Koscheck improving. He is a boring ass fighter because he doesnt know what to do after he gets someone down. What about last nights fight so impressed you about Koscheck? I just dont get it.

[Nate_Deezy]

He made several attempts to pass Joslin's guard and mount some offense. Joslin however is a BJJ blackbelt, and sometimes I don't think people understand what that means. Most BJJ schools don't award you belts based on how long you've been coming to class or anything like that, but rather how you compete in tournaments. If this is the case with Joslin, it's no wonder Kos couldn't pass his guard, and amazing that Kos was able to not only take him down at will, but slam him like a madman at will. I think it's crazy that Josh was able to avoid being put in a position where he could have been submitted against someone with those kinds of credentials. Kos did a good job winning over the judges, and although it wasn't the most fun performance to watch it was a dominant performance.

[paintstik]

It looked to me like Kos realized he wasn't gonna get lucky with another looping right like in his last fight and resorted to doing what he does best. It was just an OK fight and I look forward to seeing Joslin again. He seems to be a pretty darn good striker.

[Howie]

yea Kos might have won the fight due to his lay and pray but Joslin looked really good...he comes out of the fight looking better even with the loss

[Mr.Pickles]

Originally Posted by jcmichaels42

Kos was also worried about getting caught in a triangle choke, since Joslin almost got him with it 3 times in the fight.

But I agree with everyone else...Kos was boring and certainly not very impressive. He did win the fight but with the amount of time he spent on top he should've finished the fight.

The only time he almost got caught in a triangle was at the very end of the second round. I think the only reason he did get caught in it was because it was the end of the round and Koscheck was less cautious because he knew Joslin wouldn’t have had time to sink it in deep and tap him out. I’ve got it recorded. If you think he almost got caught in a triangle 2 other times, tell me where and I’ll go back and check.

Originally Posted by AJL416AZ

FUCK KOSCHECK.

i lost my first sig bet to his bullshit diving turtle and lay and pray, the UFC's retarded point system that supports it.

how can you get a 30-27 off of 4 takedowns? he was getting picked apart standing, he did NO real damage with his smother attack.
goddamnit

Yeah, I agree. Other than the blood on Joslin’s face, no damage at all. Joslin was winning the stand up, but saying he was picked apart is a real stretch considering it wasn’t standing for very long and Koscheck took him down at will. The whole fight was standing for about a minute or two. You want to give the fight to Joslin for that?

Originally Posted by chungt79

Joslin was the better striker but koscheck did what he always does. He takes people down and wins on points.

You do realize that this was only his third fight he won because of a decision, right?

It wasn’t that exciting of the fight, but both Koscheck and Joslin impressed me. I’m impressed with Koscheck for only being a novice in MMA, but still being able to avoid submissions from a BJJ black belt. I was also impressed with Joslin for his ability to keep guard and avoid a lot of the damage. And seriously, Joslin was a better striker than Koscheck- do you guys honestly think it would have been smart for Koscheck to stand with him? Do you guys think that fighters should pick a strategy they will undoubtedly lose just to keep us entertained?

[Nate_Deezy]

Pickles said it perfectly...it's what I've been saying all along.