GSP is just bigger and stronger than Penn, GSP has also improved his wrestling 100% since their first fight. Penn's wrestling is know where near that of GSP's.
I see GSP finishing this in the 3 round.
Penn has great greco roman wrestling. WTF are you talking about? Obviously you havent seen Penn's takedown defense either.
With Penn's improved cardio, he will be capable of fighting off takedowns much easier than in the first fight. This is not a matter of nuthugging bj penn. This is a matter of you discrediting his abilities.
Penn has great greco roman wrestling. WTF are you talking about? Obviously you havent seen Penn's takedown defense either.
With Penn's improved cardio, he will be capable of fighting off takedowns much easier than in the first fight. This is not a matter of nuthugging bj penn. This is a matter of you discrediting his abilities.
Does anyone disagree with me?
i have stated time and time again that bj's takedown defence is the best in mma next to chuck lidell but i dont think he will do too well against gsp simply because gsp's mma wrestling his top notch and he's so quick and athletic, he sets up his takedowns so well with his striking its gonna be too much for bj to handle, on top of that gsp has actually grown physically since there last fight....
First of all, Penn shouldn't even be fighting GSP yet. Penn thinks after beating Sean Sherk after only 1 title defence, he owns the lightweight division and calls out GSP to evenge his loss? I believe Kenny Florian should have got a shot at Penn first. I personally think Florian can give Penn a good fight. Penn's ego is wack and I think GSP will crush him anyway.
Dana White sucks as a fight picker. If you want to make the UFC into a REAL sport, there needs to be a set ranking system in each division 1-10 just like boxing. Anyone in the UFC can call out a fight and Dana White will pick it. I mean Lesnar the heavyweight champion after 2 fights in the UFC? JOKE.
i have stated time and time again that bj's takedown defence is the best in mma next to chuck lidell but i dont think he will do too well against gsp simply because gsp's mma wrestling his top notch and he's so quick and athletic, he sets up his takedowns so well with his striking its gonna be too much for bj to handle, on top of that gsp has actually grown physically since there last fight....
The problem with that is the fact that against BJ you run the risk of knees to the face while going for the TD. BJ's TD defense is some of the best in the business. It will be harder to setup the TD against a good striker too. BJ knows that GSP will be looking to take him down and that will make it even harder for him to get BJ down. GSP has to worry about his neck being out when he shoots. It is not something that he will be able to do anytime that he wants to. GSP has grown physically....so has BJ. BJs weight may be close to the same as it has always been but he has dropped fat and added muscle now...totally different BJ. And since he can add more weight for this fight, that just means a muscular bigger BJ than before. SO as much as everyone likes to throw out the excuse of "GSP has really improved and gotten faster and bigger, etc..." do you guys actually think that BJ has not done the same thing? I mean he trains everyday just like GSP and has just as much if not more natural talent than GSP, so that reasoning is not good enough. Also, getting BJ down and keeping him down are two totally different things.
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First of all, Penn shouldn't even be fighting GSP yet. Penn thinks after beating Sean Sherk after only 1 title defence, he owns the lightweight division and calls out GSP to evenge his loss? I believe Kenny Florian should have got a shot at Penn first. I personally think Florian can give Penn a good fight. Penn's ego is wack and I think GSP will crush him anyway.
Dana White sucks as a fight picker. If you want to make the UFC into a REAL sport, there needs to be a set ranking system in each division 1-10 just like boxing. Anyone in the UFC can call out a fight and Dana White will pick it. I mean Lesnar the heavyweight champion after 2 fights in the UFC? JOKE.
BJ does own the LW division. I personally think that Kenny is not on that level. He can call out anyone that he wants to. Dana White doesn't pick the fights. Joe Silva does. I personally think that the winner of the Florian/Stevenson fight should have fought Sherk and then the winner of that got the title shot. I think Kenny is in trouble especially pissing BJ off. What if BJ would have waited for that fight and the Stevenson beat Kenny? Then BJs fight would have been against Joe that he just beat the hell out of in his last fight?
This was my point to you... I'm sorry if I didn't see the balance in your argument for this fight.
But I don't agree that people can't make predicitions on the out come of fight based on certain factors based on previous fights between the same and other fighters. Some fights are glarringly obviouse due to a single factor like a fighter's lack of experience in a single art that is an obvious strength in his opponent.
Well, if you are a black belt in BJJ and Judo then I'm sure in the past 8+ years of training you have trained with a number of people you could not beat for what ever reason. And at this point in your training surely there are other black belts you just cannot beat regardless of how much you train due to size, strength, experience, style, etc... if not then surely you have some Olympic Gold and Mundial World Champ Medals laying around.
No one said a less experienced practioner should always be able to beat you... surely you trained with someone of your experience level at some point.
You are talking about the most anaylized fight on all MMAforums accross the world... people have been debating this rematch since the original fight. It has been intelligently discussed for several years. Just because we have an opinion does not mean we have not thought it through.
Jesus Christ dude... can you say Buzz Kill? You do realize that this is an internet forum where the objective is to discuss, argue, and debate MMA?
No, actually talent is something you bring naturally to the table... skill is what you improve in.
How is it dumb logic? GSP has beaten every top WW there has ever been since the UFC created a WW division... how is he not the best WW of all time?
As far as being unstoppable; I guess that depends on your definition. Penn has never been finished by any fighter besides when was injured to Hughes... in my opinion he has never been stopped thus far. Of course someone can stop him, but it may not be any fighter in the WW or LW divisions.
Predicting is one thing, but do it in a DICK manner is another my boy. Seems you get enjoyment out of arguing on the internet. Either you're single or your g/f is screwing another guy because you latch onto her and won't let her breathe given your constant need to argue points and statements, that if they agreed with you, are still in your range of arguement. In other words, ...
There are other black belts I may have a hard time against, but if you read the statement I wrote instead of reading what you WANTED to read, then you'll see I said those BELOW my rank. Duh. Like ya know, a blue belt? You really suck at this arguing thing eh?
And some people have talents that do improve with skill improvement? Riiiiight. So what was it you were trying to say? And being in the Olympics or World champ medals don't mean shit considering some of the best in the world never have or would sign up for such events. I don't recall Anderson Silva joining the Olympics or SOME(had to be specific for you) of the other UFC fighters doing as such. Sure SOME have, but not all...So where is that reason to call anyone great or the best when they haven't faced as such?
I've been training since 7 years old. Thanks. He's beaten every top? Odd...Aren' there some he's not even faced yet? Like oh say...Thiago Alves? And half of those victories were surely not as productive as some of the other Welterweights victories for sure against the same fighters.
And no it has not been intelligent debate or I would have not said anything. But you can go argue with someone else considering your arguing is that of a child and your logic is that of a moron. As I said, I feel for a g/f is you do in fact have one cause trying to pick apart someone's opinions on a forum shows your maturity, especially when some of what I said I even agreed with you on, apparently, yet you still felt the need to argue.
Ps- Try not to use statistics to prove the outcome of future fights, because THAT my friend, is dumb logic. Considering how many shockers have come about i the last year alone?
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I questioned your logic when you stated that MANY in here state that no one can win this fight or that fight, etc... Then I stated my personal opinion on the subject, whether or not MY opinion agreed with what you ultimately think is a moot point. Everyone on the board knows that any fighter has a shot at winning any fight. That is just common sense. But we as fans and fighters ourselves get on the board to point out the skillsets and talk about strengths and weaknesses of each fighter and then make our judgement based on those things as to who wins the fight. I mean if we didn't talk about these things and just said "well either fighter has a chance of winning just because there is always that chance," then we wouldn't have shit to talk about on the boards and there really wouldn't be any since in logging on. Most of us base our arguments on facts and not chance. We talk about the skillsets, including cardio and all the way down to the mental aspect. In some matchups, Silva/Cote, Silva/Franklin, etc...one aspect (standup) won those fights and that is just the way it goes. Yes I agreed with you on the fact that any fighter has a chance at any time, but I disagree in your statement about some fights are not going to be won based on one thing. There are many fights that are going to be won based on standup or ground game, etc...
It's in the manner you and logic in which you analyze or predict my friend. Being a dick towards them(not saying you but others have many times because I've been lurking on this site for a long time then decided to make an account) is pathetic and shows the lack of intelligence in which I stated there is on this entire forum. Ok, so those facts, like cardio and such...IS what I was saying can change and improve? Hrm. Seems you just liek to hear yourself speak because that is exactly what I pointed out. And sometimes, as in the Kevin Burns fighter where he submitted(the blak belt whose name I can't find because I am on my way out) obviously proved that the ONE THING is the thing he shocked most people on...Being he was not even a high rank at all in BJJ. Weird. That is what happens when you underestimate your opponent. Sure, everyone can say "well if he does this, then that will happen" but we're also not the fighters so naming off one thing is dumb...As I said. Be more intelligent with your approach on calling a match then I will give you respect and not be bothered by shitty analyzing sir.
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GSP takes this fight still, in m opinion gsp all round striking game is better, and as good as bjs take down defence is, if gsp wants to take him down, he eventually will
And when he does he will pay just like the first time thats the only reason GSP won was cause he took Penn down then GSP got worked. Penns jiu-jitsu is the best in MMA the best in the world so if it goes to the ground then its over.
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This fight won't be an easy one for either fighter IMO.
I think GSP has become a much better fighter than he was when he first fought BJ.
Cardio has not been a problem since BJ he droped to 155 which IMO was his only issue.It's still debatable if it will be an issue at 170.
Either way I think this fight will be a barn burner,and I will be pulling for my fellow Canadian for the win.
It's in the manner you and logic in which you analyze or predict my friend. Being a dick towards them(not saying you but others have many times because I've been lurking on this site for a long time then decided to make an account) is pathetic and shows the lack of intelligence in which I stated there is on this entire forum. Ok, so those facts, like cardio and such...IS what I was saying can change and improve? Hrm. Seems you just liek to hear yourself speak because that is exactly what I pointed out. And sometimes, as in the Kevin Burns fighter where he submitted(the blak belt whose name I can't find because I am on my way out) obviously proved that the ONE THING is the thing he shocked most people on...Being he was not even a high rank at all in BJJ. Weird. That is what happens when you underestimate your opponent. Sure, everyone can say "well if he does this, then that will happen" but we're also not the fighters so naming off one thing is dumb...As I said. Be more intelligent with your approach on calling a match then I will give you respect and not be bothered by shitty analyzing sir.
How is the way that I call a match not intelligent? How is your way more intelligent? Teach me oh wise one, God of MMA. How do you call matches, SIR? How do you sit there and analyze a match before it happens? You sound like a coin flipper? I mean, when a fight is coming up all you have to go on is past fights, skill sets, experience, size, cardio, mental, heart, etc.etc......Now you have jumped into the fact that fighters underestimate other fighters. I thought we were talking about people on the board saying that one fighter does not have a chance against another fighter? How many things are you arguing about? The members on this board discussing who will win a fight has absolutely NOTHING to do with the actual fighters underestimating each other. We have no clue what they are feeling. How is it shitty analyzing to play out different scenarios? That shows more intelligence than what you are showing my friend.
It sounds to me like you are the one that likes to hear yourself talk. I have been analyzing fights for a long time as have many others on this board...and the majority of the time the fights turn out just like alot people suggested. That sounds like pretty good analyzing and not shitty!! You say you have trained since you were 7? Then you should be able to make an intelligent decision on the way a fight may or may not turn out right? The majority of the people on this board train, so what makes you so much different.....you don't have to train to the see the obvious.
I don't know about you but i absolutely LOVE to hear myself speak!!! I can't help, I have a sexy voice!
P.S. I am not trying to gain your respect. I am here to talk about MMA and express my opinions on MMA and to get news on MMA. The board has seen many guys like you come and go and I have had many guys argue with me in the same way with no respect. It doesn't bother me at all. I am still going to get on here and voice my opinions and analyze fights with the same technique that I have always used. Its no skin off my back if you don't respect me.
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Heres how it is GSP awesome fighter definetly one of the best WW and Penn is the best LW and one of the best WW he was the WW champ so this fight is definetly a great match up.
The first time these guys fought I think Penn won he landed more strikes and when GSP did take him down Penn controlled GSP and Penn did more damage. Penns jiu-jitsu is the best in the world on the ground opponets find out that they are out classed . If you were to look at them at the end of the fight Penn was still pretty looked untouched GSP was messed up bad. kind of like Caol Uno down there.
What was worse is that Penn was probaly in the worst shape of his life during there first fight and now Penn is in his prime he is training year round he is focused and ready to make UFC history he is gonna be the first one to hold two belts at the same time.
People who over look Penn are most likely new to MMA and never really watched Penn back in the day like in his UFC 31 debuet. he dominated the LW division than ran over Matt Hughes when Hughes was in his prime and got the WW title . then lets not forget that he dominated Gomi in rumble of the rocks 4 I was there . Penn is one of the best pound 4 pound fighters in the world he is the Anderson Silva, and Fedor, of LW.
Penn has always been my favorite fighter and always will be he represents his state, were he comes from, and his people (us Hawaiians) more than anyone I got ur back BJ its time to make UFC history and after he does that he will be in the UFC hall of fame.
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