I'm guessing gsp is not gonna have too much of a tough time taking down bj in the later rounds which is gonna be the difference and win him the fight like last time
Later rounds?
GSP didn't even want to have a second round against a pudgy Penn. What makes you think a pissed off, nutritionally-fit Penn will let GSP get to the later rounds?
BJ Penn over a hamburger faced GSP halfway through the 3rd. I read here that GSP has all around better striking than BJ. Do we base that on the 1st fight? Or are we assuming his striking is that much better now? An in shape Penn continues the 1st round beating he was giving to GSP.
If you want to break striking down;
BJ has heavy, quick, and accurate hands. He can do a lot of damage, and very efficiently. Kicks? They are non-existent above the waist. I don't recall ever seeing BJ kick anyone above their waist.
GSP's hands are very quick - his jab is one of the quickest I have seen. Also, he throws then straight down the middle, so it is very difficult for an opponent to defend against them. I don't think his hands are as heavy as BJ's, but they're not far off. GSP is also very efficient - he is quite accurate as well. As far as kicks are concerned, GSP is heads and tails ahead of BJ. As far as avoiding strikes, as has been talked about a lot here, GSP's head movement needs a lot of improvement, and I'm sure that he is working to improve that.
I'd say overall striking, they are pretty even.
GSP wins at wrestling, BJ wins at BJJ. All that to say that there couldn't be two more evenly matched fighters - it will be quite a battle!
BJ has heavy, quick, and accurate hands. He can do a lot of damage, and very efficiently. Kicks? They are non-existent above the waist. I don't recall ever seeing BJ kick anyone above their waist.
GSP's hands are very quick - his jab is one of the quickest I have seen. Also, he throws then straight down the middle, so it is very difficult for an opponent to defend against them. I don't think his hands are as heavy as BJ's, but they're not far off. GSP is also very efficient - he is quite accurate as well. As far as kicks are concerned, GSP is heads and tails ahead of BJ. As far as avoiding strikes, as has been talked about a lot here, GSP's head movement needs a lot of improvement, and I'm sure that he is working to improve that.
I'd say overall striking, they are pretty even.
GSP wins at wrestling, BJ wins at BJJ. All that to say that there couldn't be two more evenly matched fighters - it will be quite a battle!
WAR GSP!!!!
Good comparison and I agree. The only other thing is BJs striking is more basic. GSP uses more of the flashy strikes. With that being said, it seems like GSPs striking has less room for error. With BJs striking being more basic, he has much more room for error. It just seems like in the striking game, style for style, GSP must have a more perfect attack than BJ.
GSP didn't even want to have a second round against a pudgy Penn. What makes you think a pissed off, nutritionally-fit Penn will let GSP get to the later rounds?
Okay those were just false rumours completely. I don't know where it started that he wanted to give up.
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GSP's hands are very quick - his jab is one of the quickest I have seen. Also, he throws then straight down the middle, so it is very difficult for an opponent to defend against them. I don't think his hands are as heavy as BJ's, but they're not far off. GSP is also very efficient - he is quite accurate as well. As far as kicks are concerned, GSP is heads and tails ahead of BJ. As far as avoiding strikes, as has been talked about a lot here, GSP's head movement needs a lot of improvement, and I'm sure that he is working to improve that.
I'd say overall striking, they are pretty even.
GSP wins at wrestling, BJ wins at BJJ. All that to say that there couldn't be two more evenly matched fighters - it will be quite a battle!
Although GSP has a good jab now, I would say BJ's jab is one of the best. He moves in and out with his jab really well and when you think your ready for it... a straight right comes in instead. Just watch the Sherk fight, his boxing was superb.
GSP is going to be throwing a lot of kicks and he's definitely ahead of BJ in that department. However, in the first fight BJ checked more of GSP's kicks than I think anyone else has. The thing about GSP's kicks is that he tends to throw a lot of them in random fashion, which in my opinion has made very successful for his takedowns. His opponents are constantly defending strikes coming up, down, left and right. They have to be on guard a lot, which opens up room for takedowns.
I know BJ fans are going to say he is the better striker but they're actually not that far apart. People constantly talk about round 1, but watch the standup in round 2 and round 3 carefully. If you want, take down a pen and piece of paper and count each strike (whether to the head, body or the legs). You'll see that not only did GSP oustrike Penn in the 2nd round but outstruck him even more in the third. That's one of the reasons why I gave GSP round 3, he outstruck him, took BJ down twice and had octagon control.
I expect GSP to use the cage way more often both in the clinch and on the ground.
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Good comparison and I agree. The only other thing is BJs striking is more basic. GSP uses more of the flashy strikes. With that being said, it seems like GSPs striking has less room for error. With BJs striking being more basic, he has much more room for error. It just seems like in the striking game, style for style, GSP must have a more perfect attack than BJ.
Why does GSP's striking has less room for error because it's not basic? BJ has got the basic fundamentals down which include both his boxing and his defense.
I wouldn't say GSP has a more perfect attack but I would definitely say it is a much more unpredictable attack because of the random sequences of punches/kicks to both sides (and up and down).
Also, BJ must be trying to look out for the superman punch and kick combo that GSP has thrown in his last 4 fights. It works quite well, cuz it comes out of nowhere but I think he should change it up to a superman punch and takedown combo much like Josh Thomson has done. The fluidity of that is beautiful. Plus, it causes your opponent to put his hand up first and then back down for a sprawl.
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Why does GSP's striking has less room for error because it's not basic? BJ has got the basic fundamentals down which include both his boxing and his defense.
I wouldn't say GSP has a more perfect attack but I would definitely say it is a much more unpredictable attack because of the random sequences of punches/kicks to both sides (and up and down).
Also, BJ must be trying to look out for the superman punch and kick combo that GSP has thrown in his last 4 fights. It works quite well, cuz it comes out of nowhere but I think he should change it up to a superman punch and takedown combo much like Josh Thomson has done. The fluidity of that is beautiful. Plus, it causes your opponent to put his hand up first and then back down for a sprawl.
Well, I mean that is just obvious. The more technical or harder to land a strike is the less room for error. I mean look at Urijah's strikes. He throws crazy strikes constantly and that leaves more openings if missed, IMO. It is harder to mess a jab or right hook up than it is to mess up a roundhouse, or spinning back fist. I wasn't saying that he can't or doesn't land them or that GSPs standup is not good, I am just saying that compared style for style, there is less room for error. My boxing coach always told me to keep it simple because you have less of a chance in making a big mistake and getting caught.
I also didn't say GSP has a more perfect attack. I said that needs a more perfect attack because of the types of strikes he throws. BJ throws jabs and rights....hard to mess that up or leave a big opening like you stand a chance of doing while throwing a spinning back fist or roundhouse.
GSP's hands are very quick - his jab is one of the quickest I have seen. Also, he throws then straight down the middle, so it is very difficult for an opponent to defend against them. I don't think his hands are as heavy as BJ's, but they're not far off. GSP is also very efficient - he is quite accurate as well. As far as kicks are concerned, GSP is heads and tails ahead of BJ. As far as avoiding strikes, as has been talked about a lot here, GSP's head movement needs a lot of improvement, and I'm sure that he is working to improve that...
Dan, I know you're a big GSP fan, but I think you're overlooking the fact that he hasn't faced great strikers, or even fighters with great striking defense since he's faced BJ...I think he's got a pretty good jab, but I think anyone with serious head movement [or great counterstriking] is going to give him issues if he sticks to it like he has in the past. I think Doc has it right when he says the superman/kick combo is a bigger tool for him, and will be even more effective if he mixes it up.
You're right about his kicks though, I'd give GSP the edge.
And those of you who mentioned how GSP mixes it up, the element of surprise. I have to say since he joined Jackson's camp, that department has improved tremendously. It blew me away when he fought Kos (which I think was his first fight under Jackson's tutelage), and he almost immediately went for the takedown. Or against Serra in their 2nd fight, heck, he was standing up 1 second, taking him down the next, there was no way to predict where the fight was going. Of course, his wrestling skills allow him to do that. In the past (pre-Jackson), it was pretty much determined that he was either going to stand up the majority of the fight, or be on the ground for the majority of the fight, depending on whom he was fighting. He never mixed it up the way he does now.
And those of you who mentioned how GSP mixes it up, the element of surprise. I have to say since he joined Jackson's camp, that department has improved tremendously. It blew me away when he fought Kos (which I think was his first fight under Jackson's tutelage), and he almost immediately went for the takedown. Or against Serra in their 2nd fight, heck, he was standing up 1 second, taking him down the next, there was no way to predict where the fight was going. Of course, his wrestling skills allow him to do that. In the past (pre-Jackson), it was pretty much determined that he was either going to stand up the majority of the fight, or be on the ground for the majority of the fight, depending on whom he was fighting. He never mixed it up the way he does now.
well he did mix it up before but now he keeps going up and down much more which tests his opponent's cardio that much more too. It's just like Florian said in the 2nd Serra fight, GSP is using a bag of mixed martial arts and this is confusing Matt Serra... I initially laughed when he said that lol
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Lol, I found a funny little tib-bit about bitch trash... in 40 posts he has mentioned that he has started training BJJ at age 7 and was black belt at age 19 several times already. Which would make him the youngest American BJJ Black belt ever... So bitch trash unless you are Ricky Lundell who received his black belt under Rickson and not Pablo Popovitch (as bitch trash claims), you are obviouslly full of shit about your black belt.
Full of shit about one thing... probably full of shit about everything. I think I am going to start calling you Napolean Dynamite.
I love people who make shit up about them selves on interent forums to try and garner credibility when they can just make a normal argument like everyone else.
So now we have like 20 wrestling state champs and one BJJ black belt who can't argue about any specific aspect of fighting technique.
His profiel pic is awesome as well... looks like a huge My Chemical Romance fan.
dude, you buried this poor soul like 10 posts ago, you said it yourself, he sounded defeated, but damn, u wanna make him cry don't you? this thread should have been WAY better! instead of making solid arguments to debate the outcome,it's like 5-6 pages of fishy getting his ass reamed ( if your making shit up you deserve it tho!) it's as if intelligent debating is over,and just playground antics take over.We need to get palma a badge or something,cause he has my vote for forum sheriff,and his 0 tolerance for stupidness has made more than a few people think twice about posting stupid shit. hey if it keeps all the "ifights" out im all for it and he does enjoy my chemical romance------fuck em
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