Yes GSP took Penn down, but it was in later rounds when Penn had already gassed. I think Lee was trying to say Penn doesn't have conventional wrestling based TDD defense, and that can pose issues.
Be nice to Lee.
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What makes you think bj isn't going to gas again in the next fight? It's 5 rounds of gsp attempting to take you down
You have Penn who has the best TDD in the game but then you have gsp who has the best TD in the game, conditioning again is gonna play a factor ( as it did in the last cuz gsp conditioning is naturally better so bj needs to rely on his technical skills) and you people are forgetting that gsp although his face looked beat up in that first round ( mostly cuz of the eye poke which resulted in his nose getting clipped and broken) he wasn't too far behind, he landed some good shots including a spinning back kick to the body
I'm guessing gsp is not gonna have too much of a tough time taking down bj in the later rounds which is gonna be the difference and win him the fight like last time
Pablo Popovitch. The same guy who trained Bj Penn for his fight against Sean Sherk, amoung other UFC fighters, for their fights? And I think I've won enough tournaments and rolling competitions to be a legit black belt. And just because your school brings in jokes, doesn't mean all of them do.
LOL our school(s) don't "bring" in jokes. I should have clarified that I train at a gym and with the bjj club at my college. It was at my college where we've had a number of jokes walk in.
Here's some info on the "official" gym(s) around my area--well, there are a number of gyms down here, but this is where I go to progress: Coastal Combatives
What's your name? I may have heard of you with credentials like that.
Black belt in judo and bjj? That's pretty sick my man. If that's true then you're probably one bad dude. Could you show us some of your videos?
And in regards to your PM, I wasn't calling you out. I dont know you, have never seen you post here before, and wanted you to tell me more about yourself.
Sounds to me like you've got a little too much sand in your puss because you seem very defensive and uptight. My advice is to lighten up.
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What fight did you watch then to confirm it because he never took Penn down in the first. He took him down 2x in the second and 2x in the third.
Also, Rivet Penn was gassed in the third... even in BJ's interviews he said he was fine in the second and felt weak in the third. GSP managed to take him down twice in the second, one of the times quite early in the round like 40 seconds in.
I also see some people saying GSP showed signs of fatigue too but in his case it's obvious he's going to fatigue, he had a broken nose and had to breathe out of his mouth.
I watched it this morning and I swear it looks like BJ was gassed in the first. I mean his kick defense got sloppy, his punches slowed considerably, and he just looked like he was really having to try to strike. But if BJ said he was okay, then I guess he was okay.
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What makes you think bj isn't going to gas again in the next fight? It's 5 rounds of gsp attempting to take you down
You have Penn who has the best TDD in the game but then you have gsp who has the best TD in the game, conditioning again is gonna play a factor ( as it did in the last cuz gsp conditioning is naturally better so bj needs to rely on his technical skills) and you people are forgetting that gsp although his face looked beat up in that first round ( mostly cuz of the eye poke which resulted in his nose getting clipped and broken) he wasn't too far behind, he landed some good shots including a spinning back kick to the body
I'm guessing gsp is not gonna have too much of a tough time taking down bj in the later rounds which is gonna be the difference and win him the fight like last time
I think BJ will gas at the end but i don't believe it will be as bad as last time. His cardio is levels above what it was, it seems. GSPs face was battered and I wouldn't blame it on the eye poke. It would have ended up the same way. BJ just has an amzing jab that is quick and very accurate. You have to give BJ credit for that and not say it was because of the eye poke. If it makes it to the later rounds, obviously GSP will have an easier time taking BJ down...unless he is injured before then. BJ may have GSP out of the fight before then. It is hard to say, but I agree that it will be easier in the later rounds.
I don't remember GSP taking BJ down in the first round. I just watched the fight again a few days ago. The first round was all standup. GSP tried to get him down, but was unsuccessful....I am pretty sure.
Just to make sure I watched it again just now. GSP was 0/2 in TD attemtps in the first round. The fight stayed on its feet.
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What fight did you watch then to confirm it because he never took Penn down in the first. He took him down 2x in the second and 2x in the third.
Also, Rivet Penn was gassed in the third... even in BJ's interviews he said he was fine in the second and felt weak in the third. GSP managed to take him down twice in the second, one of the times quite early in the round like 40 seconds in.
I also see some people saying GSP showed signs of fatigue too but in his case it's obvious he's going to fatigue, he had a broken nose and had to breathe out of his mouth.
I found that old post I was talking about, and I wrote that he attempted a takedown in the first, got him down within the 1st minute of the 2nd round. What can I say......my memory isn't what it used to be!
The whole point is; was BJ already gassed within the 1st minute of the 2nd round? I wouldn't think so. So GSP took down a fairly fresh BJ, not 1st-round-fresh, but early-2nd-round-fresh!
Bj was talking about putting gsp in bad spots to see how he's gonna perform like having his back and putting him on his back, I'm curious to know what kind of gameplan bj's going to come up with cuz I think gsp's gameplan is pretty obvious-test him out on the feet then go for the take down, then just try to gnp
Bj was talking about putting gsp in bad spots to see how he's gonna perform like having his back and putting him on his back, I'm curious to know what kind of gameplan bj's going to come up with cuz I think gsp's gameplan is pretty obvious-test him out on the feet then go for the take down, then just try to gnp
Any suggestions on what Penn might do?
Now that GSP has Greg Jackson, I wouldn't bet on what his game plan will be anymore.
I think Penn will stand for as long as he can, and if/when he gets taken down, he'll work off of his back for a submission. That seems to always be Penn's gameplan. He prefers to stand, but is comfortable if it goes to the ground. No big mystery, IMO. Maybe he'll surprise us by attempting a few kicks up high!
Now that GSP has Greg Jackson, I wouldn't bet on what his game plan will be anymore.
I think Penn will stand for as long as he can, and if/when he gets taken down, he'll work off of his back for a submission. That seems to always be Penn's gameplan. He prefers to stand, but is comfortable if it goes to the ground. No big mystery, IMO. Maybe he'll surprise us by attempting a few kicks up high!
I agree. I just can't see BJ coming out any different really. I agree that maybe he will throw more kicks. But on the other hand, since BJ always comes out the same way..maybe he has a trick up his sleeve to throw GSP off. It would be a good time to switch it up and catch GSP off guard!
Now that GSP has Greg Jackson, I wouldn't bet on what his game plan will be anymore.
I think Penn will stand for as long as he can, and if/when he gets taken down, he'll work off of his back for a submission. That seems to always be Penn's gameplan. He prefers to stand, but is comfortable if it goes to the ground. No big mystery, IMO. Maybe he'll surprise us by attempting a few kicks up high!
He probably will try something new just so he's not predictable but I doubt he'll throw more leg kicks just cuz it will make him more vulnerable to take down... I wonder if bj will try to take him down but I doubt he'll succeed in his takedowns cuz gsp is so athletic
BJ Penn over a hamburger faced GSP halfway through the 3rd. I read here that GSP has all around better striking than BJ. Do we base that on the 1st fight? Or are we assuming his striking is that much better now? An in shape Penn continues the 1st round beating he was giving to GSP.
St.Pierre's wrestling is far above BJ Penn's. No doubt. But what else? Is his chin better? Uh no BJ has never even been rocked, not even at 205 against Machida. I think we know GSP can be rocked. I have no idea what would make someone think that all of a sudden GSP's striking is better than BJ's. Submissions? Penn.
I like GSP and I like Penn. I can't wait for this fight, but I cannot fathom GSP actually finishing BJ Penn. I can however picture a few scenarios where BJ finishes GSP. I can't wait to see it though, however it goes.
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