if u dont remember the penn fight u must be somewhat new to mma becuase anyone whos been a long time fan knows everything about that fight.
to say gsp will take penn down because he took down hughs/kos and their all american wrestlers is a bad comparison. neither of them have the crazy flexibility and balance that penn does which enables him to stop the takedowns.
I said I don't remember it well enough, most likely cuz I don't have good memory but since you didn't know that gsp actually did take Penn down quite a few times in that fight either your new to mma yourself or you don't know what your talking about
Rolling competitions? What planet are you from? I'm calling it... not only are you a white belt, but you have barely trained BJJ.
well how many people are actually knowing what the actual name of it is that if i said that they'd be keen on what i said? lol. call it all you want, but i have my proof...where's yours? funny how you think you're so right about this all, but you can't seem to stop arguing. huh revenge of the nerds boy? good luck with bashing others on the internet and going off base of the original subject to feel more like a man. it's quite pathetic actually. at Pablo's school they called it rolling competitions between ranks within the gym(to see how you compare against higher ranks and for belt promotions at times) otherwise the parents would've had no idea what it was(because to some "rolling" with others on the mat sounded as much gay as amateur wrestling matches), but hey...whatever makes you feel cool about yourself Palma.
And I'm calling it that you still live with your parents, in the basement, jacking off to anime, and tries to make himself feel cooler by arguing on internet forums where no one will "ever know who he really is". and for a white belt i surely seem to know more about not only world renowned BJJ practioners are, what submissions are in all and how to get out of them, but i can also show what school in which i trained WITH a world class BJJ practioner, while you have...well, the internet. good luck. but this thread has gotten quite...stale my boy.
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well how many people are actually knowing what the actual name of it is that if i said that they'd be keen on what i said? lol. call it all you want, but i have my proof...where's yours? funny how you think you're so right about this all, but you can't seem to stop arguing. huh revenge of the nerds boy? good luck with bashing others on the internet and going off base of the original subject to feel more like a man. it's quite pathetic actually. at Pablo's school they called it rolling competitions between ranks within the gym(to see how you compare against higher ranks and for belt promotions at times) otherwise the parents would've had no idea what it was(because to some "rolling" with others on the mat sounded as much gay as amateur wrestling matches), but hey...whatever makes you feel cool about yourself Palma.
And I'm calling it that you still live with your parents, in the basement, jacking off to anime, and tries to make himself feel cooler by arguing on internet forums where no one will "ever know who he really is". and for a white belt i surely seem to know more about not only world renowned BJJ practioners are, what submissions are in all and how to get out of them, but i can also show what school in which i trained WITH a world class BJJ practioner, while you have...well, the internet. good luck. but this thread has gotten quite...stale my boy.
Yet you can't be specific because you don't know dick about BJJ and you haven't proven shit. and lol, you named One world class BJJ practioner.
You're probably one of those guys who watches a UFC event and then goes to a gym the next day, buys a gi, signs a one year commitment to train unlimited classes, and then never shows up again...
I said I don't remember it well enough, most likely cuz I don't have good memory but since you didn't know that gsp actually did take Penn down quite a few times in that fight either your new to mma yourself or you don't know what your talking about
when did i say gsp didnt take penn down? u dont know what your talkin bout
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I said I don't remember it well enough, most likely cuz I don't have good memory but since you didn't know that gsp actually did take Penn down quite a few times in that fight either your new to mma yourself or you don't know what your talking about
Yes GSP took Penn down, but it was in later rounds when Penn had already gassed. I think Lee was trying to say Penn doesn't have conventional wrestling based TDD defense, and that can pose issues.
Yes GSP took Penn down, but it was in later rounds when Penn had already gassed. I think Lee was trying to say Penn doesn't have conventional wrestling based TDD defense, and that can pose issues.
Be nice to Lee.
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I'm pretty sure GSP took him down in the 1st round, and at least once. I remember discussing this in another thread, then watching the fight again to confirm it.
I'm pretty sure GSP took him down in the 1st round, and at least once. I remember discussing this in another thread, then watching the fight again to confirm it.
I don't remember GSP taking BJ down in the first round. I just watched the fight again a few days ago. The first round was all standup. GSP tried to get him down, but was unsuccessful....I am pretty sure.
Just to make sure I watched it again just now. GSP was 0/2 in TD attemtps in the first round. The fight stayed on its feet.
assuming both fighters come in relatively healthy I think the physical skills are a wash- gsp more athletic, penn more polished skills. It will come down to the mental game. At first glance you might say penn has the edge because of gsp's mental breakdown vs Serra but I am not so sure. Penn's history of lack of conditioning is not a physical issue it is a mental one. When you don't train properly your body looks weak but that is the result not the root cause. Whether it comes from ego or laziness, lack of cardio is a mental issue.
So who wins the mental game? honestly I don't know. I think both guys have put those issues behind them (gsp with his wins over kos hughes serra and fitch since his breakdown and penn with his rededication to training since the hughes fight) I think this goes 5 with penn winning the early rounds and gsp winning the late rounds. I beleive this because I think if he is smart gsp will keep the fight standing for atleast a round, he needs to break a good sweat to help prevent submissions when it does go to the ground. And when it is standing bj will have the advantage. When it goes to the ground can bj do enough work to win the late rounds in the judges eyes? eventhough keeping a guy in a butterfly is good defence and shows control of the ground game it doesnt win fights. For the sake of full disclosure I am a gsp fan and I hope he takes it but I wouldn't put money on either guy because it is just that close.
With Fedor's inactivity and Silva's lackluster performance against Cote the one thing I can be sure about is if this turns out to be a great fight then the winner can make a serious claim as the top P4P.
assuming both fighters come in relatively healthy I think the physical skills are a wash- gsp more athletic, penn more polished skills. It will come down to the mental game. At first glance you might say penn has the edge because of gsp's mental breakdown vs Serra but I am not so sure. Penn's history of lack of conditioning is not a physical issue it is a mental one. When you don't train properly your body looks weak but that is the result not the root cause. Whether it comes from ego or laziness, lack of cardio is a mental issue.
So who wins the mental game? honestly I don't know. I think both guys have put those issues behind them (gsp with his wins over kos hughes serra and fitch since his breakdown and penn with his rededication to training since the hughes fight) I think this goes 5 with penn winning the early rounds and gsp winning the late rounds. I beleive this because I think if he is smart gsp will keep the fight standing for atleast a round, he needs to break a good sweat to help prevent submissions when it does go to the ground. And when it is standing bj will have the advantage. When it goes to the ground can bj do enough work to win the late rounds in the judges eyes? eventhough keeping a guy in a butterfly is good defence and shows control of the ground game it doesnt win fights. For the sake of full disclosure I am a gsp fan and I hope he takes it but I wouldn't put money on either guy because it is just that close.
With Fedor's inactivity and Silva's lackluster performance against Cote the one thing I can be sure about is if this turns out to be a great fight then the winner can make a serious claim as the top P4P.
That is a VERY good point about breaking a sweat! The only downside to standing the first round is in their first fight, GSP's face was a mess after round 1. That has to be in the back of GSPs mind in this fight too. If GSP decides to stand the first round, it is almost a certainty that he is going to eat ALOT of jabs and the results could be the same. I guess it just comes down to which route GSP wants to go...does he want to risk the potential damage just to work up a sweat for the ground game. Another thing he has to think about too, is while he is working up a sweat, BJ will be doing the same thing which makes BJ harder to get ahold of. Sweat makes some subs more difficult but on the other hand it makes it easier to slide into others.
I'm pretty sure GSP took him down in the 1st round, and at least once. I remember discussing this in another thread, then watching the fight again to confirm it.
What fight did you watch then to confirm it because he never took Penn down in the first. He took him down 2x in the second and 2x in the third.
Also, Rivet Penn was gassed in the third... even in BJ's interviews he said he was fine in the second and felt weak in the third. GSP managed to take him down twice in the second, one of the times quite early in the round like 40 seconds in.
I also see some people saying GSP showed signs of fatigue too but in his case it's obvious he's going to fatigue, he had a broken nose and had to breathe out of his mouth.
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and for a white belt i surely seem to know more about not only world renowned BJJ practioners are, what submissions are in all and how to get out of them, but i can also show what school in which i trained WITH a world class BJJ practioner, while you have...well, the internet. good luck. but this thread has gotten quite...stale my boy.
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