Sengoku - Roger Gracie Accused of faking Injury

[Palma]

Originally Posted by atj-lucko

Just a joke, easy there. Royce is a GOD but that doesn't mean we can't make fun of them now and then, and you know what I think of Roger.

Just seems there is a pattern with Gracie's, they think they are owed something, maybe they are.

You don't don't even know who Roger is besides that he is a Gracie and your joke makes no sense at all.

Originally Posted by GL Jeff

What, his statement was just fine. Talk about ignorant. Its true, you either move and evolve with the sport,or you get left in the dust. Look at Ken, Royce, Matt Hughes, even Chuck is looking to be out of it.

What does having a rib injury and not sending an MRI to an org. (which is not standard practice btw) have to do with not evolving in MMA? Roger is 2 and 0 and has nothing to do with Ken, Royce, Hughes, and Liddell in even the slightest. Do you know what you are talking about?

Originally Posted by rbenson98

Wow and you are single mindedand missing the big picture. i guess i hit a nerve there huh.

Have you not noticed that outside of the gracies disciples They are fading out. yes they are one of the authorities in BJJ (not the only ones i might add ie nog) Hows the rest of there training going do they bring in top notch muy thia or boxing coaches, and out side of serra (being a disciple) i may be wrong but the the stockton camp diaz brothers are a gracie camp do come to mind and they do have other tools besides bjj. The Gracie's are def not what they used to be by a long shot is all i was saying and there are so many Gracie's its hard to think some of them have not evovled the way they should to stay on top the game.

You're calling me single minded and you are implying that all Gracies share the same philospohies on fighting, mindsets's, gyms, everything?

Roger Gracie has about as much to do with Helio's side of the family as you or I do.

You obviously don't know shit about the Gracies besides their last name, which is not very much.

Again, you are very ignorant. Do some research.

[rbenson98]

Originally Posted by Palma

You don't don't even know who Roger is besides that he is a Gracie and your joke makes no sense at all.



What does having a rib injury and not sending an MRI to an org. (which is not standard practice btw) have to do with not evolving in MMA? Roger is 2 and 0 and has nothing to do with Ken, Royce, Hughes, and Liddell in even the slightest. Do you know what you are talking about?



You're calling me single minded and you are implying that all Gracies share the same philospohies on fighting, mindsets's, gyms, everything?

Roger Gracie has about as much to do with Helio's side of the family as you or I do.

You obviously don't know shit about the Gracies besides their last name, which is not very much.

Again, you are very ignorant. Do some research.

Man you take this too seriously for your own good it seems. outside the diaz brothers who recently has been something other than a straight up bjj coming out of a gracie camp.

Don't take this the wrong way which i believe you have already but enlighten me then instead of calling me ignorant.

I can't say i am gracie follower other than There early ufc and pride dvd's i have. How has there game transitioned from just the typical Jits that they are so famous for i can't remember the name but there were a few with good hands but hardly top notch.

Also to make a blanket statement about them not changing with MMA's Little bit of everything training like so many fighters do today is not far off imo.

[Ubermensch]

Originally Posted by rbenson98

Man you take this too seriously for your own good it seems. outside the diaz brothers who recently has been something other than a straight up bjj coming out of a gracie camp.
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Jake Shields, Matt Serra, GSP... Well I could actually take some thought but those were just off the top of my head.

[rbenson98]

Originally Posted by Ubermensch

Jake Shields, Matt Serra, GSP... Well I could actually take some thought but those were just off the top of my head.

Thanks i was not trying to argue with palma just trying to get a little more info i knew Serra was but not shields was GSP there for just jits training or was that his camp? He is with Jackson now right?

[Ubermensch]

GSP is with Jackson...now but he has been with the Gracies the most in his career. He has been with Jackson only becasue Renzo dropped him becasue Serra asked him to.

I'm board so I will see who the Gracies have trained, David Terrell, Gilbert Melendez, Ricardo Almeida, Murilo Bustamante, Vitor Belfort, Stephan Bonnar, and BJ Penn. That is all I can find. Kinda blows me away becasue I really thought there would be more...Probably is but I don't want to do that much searching..hahhaa

[thumper]

Originally Posted by rivethead

For me, it's equally hard to imagine any bonafide doctor breaking doctor/patient confidentiality to discuss a case with the media.

Based on that alone, I'm inclined to think Gracie isn't faking anything.

rh

Yeah that made me wonder too. If they've refused all these contacts including the doctor requests why is the doc giving diagnosis that's highly illegal to do without consent?

[atj-lucko]

Originally Posted by Palma

You don't don't even know who Roger is besides that he is a Gracie and your joke makes no sense at all.

Yes your right to me Roger is just one of the young Gracies like Igor, Ralek and Gregor.

[rbenson98]

Originally Posted by Ubermensch

GSP is with Jackson...now but he has been with the Gracies the most in his career. He has been with Jackson only becasue Renzo dropped him becasue Serra asked him to.

I'm board so I will see who the Gracies have trained, David Terrell, Gilbert Melendez, Ricardo Almeida, Murilo Bustamante, Vitor Belfort, Stephan Bonnar, and BJ Penn. That is all I can find. Kinda blows me away becasue I really thought there would be more...Probably is but I don't want to do that much searching..hahhaa

Nice i'm in between installs at work reading posts.

Palma i don't agree with how you addressed my post but i agree with what you and stand corrected no doubt. I gave a vague over view of what i thought and am appearently wrong i have always thought they were just a one minded bjj camp. Withall these other camps moving to the forefront i lost sight of them being more than that.

[steelebone]

It's a good thing he got himself injured because Wuiff was gonna smash his ass!!

[mmasince91]

sOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT.....Gracies have been accused of this for years.