If Hughes thought that fight was boring I'm not sure what he was watching. Maybe he should go back to something more exciting and suited to his character like growing and bailing hay. GSP looked great and Fitch has twice the heart Hughes has. To not so subtly and publicly degrade the performance of the champion of his own division is just petty and fairly pathetic. Hughes is a pretty humble guy, right? The selfless, benevolent, Queen Hughes. Maybe he was just meekly sharing his "wisdom" with the otherwise destitute and abject masses.
Stop acting like Tito is the first or the last fighter to ever trash talk or show boat. That crap he pulled with the Lions den was 7-8 years ago.
I also wasn't just talking about you calling Tito a donkey, I was talking about you justifying one fighters trashing of one fighter but criticizing another because you have a personal bias. That is called hypocrisy. Either you're for trashing a fighter or against it. You can't have it both ways. You can't dislike when one fighter does it and then ride the nuts of another because you have a different philosophy on things depending on who's doing the trash talk.
Who cares that you don't like Tito, you think he's a jackass fine. But don't sit there and get appalled at Hughes saying GSP's fight was boring and in the same breath say it's okay that Chuck does itt to Tito because Tito's a jackass. That just makes you a . . . . . . .
If you dont see a difference or choose not to see one, thats your problem (and your Bias). Liddell trashing tito is a response to his antics, his stupidness and personal quarrel they have, Hughes making statements (that are in most everyones opinion not accuarate) like its a boring fight, and walking out, looks like to me like sour grapes, a fighter past his prime trying to make others accomplishments look bad, all it does is reflect on HIS character. Another competitors fight wasnt worth his time.. what a load of crap.
Stop bending what I am saying to fit your argument. To me there is a a distinct difference, to you there isnt
If you dont see a difference or choose not to see one, thats your problem (and your Bias). Liddell trashing tito is a response to his antics, his stupidness and personal quarrel they have, Hughes making statements (that are in most everyones opinion not accuarate) like its a boring fight, and walking out, looks like to me like sour grapes, a fighter past his prime trying to make others accomplishments look bad, all it does is reflect on HIS character. Another competitors fight wasnt worth his time.. what a load of crap.
Stop bending what I am saying to fit your argument. To me there is a a distinct difference, to you there isnt
Chuck and Tito haven't fought in 2 years. There's no reason at all for Chuck to mention Tito. And the only antics Tito has shown since he fought Chuck was against Dana White which is Chuck's puppeteer.
And Tito's "antics" at the end of the Shamrock III fight made me ambarassed to be a Tito fan until he him and Shamrock actually showed true sportsmanship to each other.
Trash talk is trash talk. You can't be on both sides of the fence about it. You can say what you want about Tito's antics but he's shown nothing but respect for everyone not named Dana White in the 2+ years since he fought Chuck and Shamrock the last time.
Chuck and Tito haven't fought in 2 years. There's no reason at all for Chuck to mention Tito. And the only antics Tito has shown since he fought Chuck was against Dana White which is Chuck's puppeteer.
And Tito's "antics" at the end of the Shamrock III fight made me ambarassed to be a Tito fan until he him and Shamrock actually showed true sportsmanship to each other.
Trash talk is trash talk. You can't be on both sides of the fence about it. You can say what you want about Tito's antics but he's shown nothing but respect for everyone not named Dana White in the 2+ years since he fought Chuck and Shamrock the last time.
Fine here is the difference, I dont see what hughes did as trash talk. You do, I dont. Stop interpreting my opinions and deciding what I consider trash talk. And I dont care if he did it 50 years ago, didnt care for his antics then, still dont
Tell me something negative that Tito has said about Liddell since AFTER they fought that would warrant Chuck bringing his name up and trashing him. Can you name me one thing that would warrant you calling him a donkey? If not, then don't open your mouth when you can't back up your comments with facts.
It's one thing to disrespect a fighter because he runs off out the mouth. It's another to disrespect a fighter who's said nothing. The only person that Tito has trashed lately is Dana who makes it a career objective to trash Tito and every turn.
Tito was nothing but humble and respectful of Liddell since the last time they fought and was also the same way since he fought Machida. Don't base the mindless opinions of others as the facts that you base your feeling that Tito is a donkey or you sir end up looking like said donkey in the end.
As fas as Hughes goes, he's earned his right to speak his mind. He left the fight and he said he thought it was boring. Who cares. He spoke truthfully in what he thought his opinion was.
I agree with this last part. How many times do you see people leave a basketball game or football game because their team is getting trounced and they think there is no way the team can come back? Sounds like Hughes was thinking along the same lines - Fitch was getting killed, so why stick around for the inevitable finish (assuming Hughes was pulling for Fitch to win)? Nothing wrong with heading back early to the hotel to have a cold beer...
Are you kidding me? For a guy who once ripped into Rashad Evans for showboating and being disrespectful this seems incredibly disrespectful to me. Maybe Matt just realizes MMA is quickly passing him by and he can't handle the pain. On the other hand he's probably the master on what not to do against GSP.
"The last fight of the night was Georges and Fitch. Georges didn’t look as big as he has before and he seemed like he had gotten tired from the first round. Fitch had the game plan of countering Georges and you just can’t do that. You can’t counter a quicker fighter. To be honest, halfway in the third round I got up and walked out of the arena and went to my hotel. The fight wasn’t the most exciting and I wanted to get out of there before everyone else was getting up to leave."
i agree with matt hughes. st. pierre was smaller and in my opinion, overtrained for this fight. he's lost some of his explosiveness and athleticism due to getting overtrained at the jackson camp, which is notorious for that. jackson's great cardio regimen may work for guys like diego, but for excellent athletes like gsp, it diminishes their ability. ive said this before, hopefully more people start realizing this and being more observant, instead of going "omggspisthebesthesgodhekilledfitch." yes he had a good performance but you have to look at the subtleties of his performance. he wasn't sure how to finish, he tired, he didn't look as explosive/energetic/spontaneous (see the jay hieron fight and compare both st. pierre's physique and his performance to the fitch fight in which he clearly was drained and overtrained).
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Couldn't agree more... Hughes, like everyone, is entitled to his opinion, but he's still a cocky douche...
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Maybe GSP looked smaller because he was fighting Matt Serra before? maybe?
exactly. GSP was finally fighting a fighter bigger than himself. Fitch was at least 2 inches taller. The rest of the guys GSP has faught are the same height or shorter then him. Put him back in there with serra, hughes and he will look huge again.
As for him gasing out, there were several flurries where GSP tried to finish Fitch. Those flurries take their toll on you. We've all seen it, guys blowing their wad trying for subs, and going crazy punching, and when the guy manages to survive one attempt, let alone 3 it is a bit draining. Anyone else in the ww division would have never made through RD 1 with a beating like that coming from GSP.
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here is the thing...Hughes is on his last leg and really has no room to give his opinion in the fights quality or not. if it were he fighting GSP or Fitch, it have never gone the distance cuz they both would have finished him early.
some may argue that Hughes' legacy gives him room to speak...well about his "legacy"...no one can take away from Hughes and what he did while on top of the sport. but seriously, Hughes had what others fighters didnt have back in his day, and now that the sport has evolved past him its quite obvious he would never be on top today. Hughes is as much of a one-dimensional fighter as they come.
like i said before, i hope Serra takes Hughes arm home with him and sends him off into retirement land where he belongs.
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Fine here is the difference, I dont see what hughes did as trash talk. You do, I dont. Stop interpreting my opinions and deciding what I consider trash talk. And I dont care if he did it 50 years ago, didnt care for his antics then, still dont
You're right. Hughes wasn't trash talking. He said he got up and left the fight early to beat the traffic out the door. He said GSP looked smaller than he normally does and Fitch was making mistakes by trying to counter GSP.
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here is the thing...Hughes is on his last leg and really has no room to give his opinion in the fights quality or not. if it were he fighting GSP or Fitch, it have never gone the distance cuz they both would have finished him early.
I get the Hughes disdain that people have, I really do. I understand why some people don't like the guy. But the animosity and hate is getting ridiculous. The headline could read, "Matt Hughes Nurses Baby Tiger Back To Health" and people would say, "fuckin Hughes and his jungle cats, always on a high horse."
Usually I agree with you on pretty much everything and I take your disdain for Hughes and understand it. However, how come just because Hughes career is pretty much over, he can't give his opinion on his blog on his website. It's the same thing we are doing on here. He is just critiquing a fight.
All he really said was GSP looked small and looked like he was winded after the first round, Fitch shouldn't have been countering GSP because GSP was faster and he left early to beat everyone out of the building. I don't get what's so bad about all that. The only negative conotation I take from that was him saying GSP looked winded which I didn't think he did. Hell I fell asleep during the fight, that doesn't mean I was criticizing it.
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