Official UFC 86 Discussion Thread: **NO PRELIM SPOILERS

[atj-lucko]

Originally Posted by Palma

This is the argument of the century everyone! Palma is talkiing it personal, Palma thinks he is better then everyone, Palma thinks rep points means he is always right everyone!

I'm not getting it man?; I am making points and you are making nothing...They both did their homework, Jardine was either a fluke or a good ko over a really good fighter, and I'm not getting mad... you are just getting wrong and but-hurt about it...

What is your point? You either have one or you don't...

When did I ever say anything bad about you, and the whole statement "Palma thinks rep points means he is always right everyone!
", well I don't know what thats about, seems your mad about what someone else said to you, but I never said anything like that to you.

I was making points, I was saying when big upsets like this happen like in the Serra GSP fight people just start jumping on their bandwagons.
My point being the division is so packed with great talent I don't see Forrest keeping the belt long for that matter, I don't see anyone keeping the belt for any length of time.
I can see a revolving door of LHW champs for the next 3 years. This is the end of seeing 2 or 3 title defense's by a champ.

[captonion]

Originally Posted by atj-lucko

I can see a revolving door of LHW champs for the next 3 years. This is the end of seeing 2 or 3 title defense's by a champ.

I have been thinking the same thing for quite some time,expecially in the LHW division.Alot of fights going to decision,and left up to the judges is why I see the flip flop of title holders for quite some time.Until there is a fighter who is clearly stands out,and dominates at LHW,I can see this being the norm for a while.Although stacked with talent there is no clear dominating fighter in this weight class!

[Beowulf]

the post fight conference by forrest was great..

"You got Drysdale submitting you, wandy kicking you in the head, you either get better or die"...nice

[Dork8503]

Originally Posted by atj-lucko

When did I ever say anything bad about you, and the whole statement "Palma thinks rep points means he is always right everyone!
", well I don't know what thats about, seems your mad about what someone else said to you, but I never said anything like that to you.

I was making points, I was saying when big upsets like this happen like in the Serra GSP fight people just start jumping on their bandwagons.
My point being the division is so packed with great talent I don't see Forrest keeping the belt long for that matter, I don't see anyone keeping the belt for any length of time.
I can see a revolving door of LHW champs for the next 3 years. This is the end of seeing 2 or 3 title defense's by a champ.

But why is this a big upset, because its Rampage and he beat Chuck. Well Forrest is a pimp and he beat Shogun.

And Serra knocked GSP around an down an beat him in under 4 minutes. Forrest took Rampage to a decision, their is no fluke in that. You don't get lucky for 25 minutes, that takes skill.

Also just to point out I am not jumping on the Forrest bandwagon, if anything i have been driving it for a long time now. I said he would be champion some day, i picked him against Shogun, and Rampage.

I don't believe it was a upset, people just want to think Forrest is shit because he was on TUF

[Masscore]

Just a few things...

Rampage and Forrest was amazing and if there was ever a fight that deserved an auto-rematch it is this fight. The UFC has done this before with Couture and Rizzo. So I personally hope they do it with Rampage and Forrest. Arugably the best 5 round fight I have ever seen, or at least since Penn v. Pulver I.

That being said, the fight was a draw. I thought the fight was a draw last night and I thought it was a draw when I rewatched again. Who the hell scored that fight 49-46... how did Forrest win 4 out of the 5 rounds. I can buy Forrest winning the fight. But I can not buy 4 of the 5 rounds as Rampage clearly won Rounds 1 and 4. Round 3 is the toss up round, if you give to Forrest he wins, if you give it to Rampage its a draw. Either way, I am not going to let a bad decision ruin a great fight for me.

Does Joe Rogan have a hard-on for Forrest too or is it just me. Forrest could do no wrong in that fight as far as Rogan was concerned. I remember one of the replays where he was like watch this big hit by Forrest, and yea Forrest hit him hard, but at the same time Rampage snapped his head back and made Forrest stumble back. Rogan is slowly wearing out his welcome with me. They should just replace him full time with Mir.

Also, why the hell was Kos and Lytle stood-up twice in the third round. The first one was when Kos was in side control and staying active and punching Lytle. The second one was like right after a takedown. Either way I am getting sick of people being stood-up just to make a fight more interesting. This is MMA not kickboxing, grappling is what makes MMA different then most other combat sports. If you take that away you just get a punch of C level kickboxers with 4oz gloves.

Anyway overall the event was so-so with me. I think Rampage v. Forrest saved it though because that fight was amazing.

[LookitsLance]

any vid of post fight conference?

[krayven]

Wow, they are talking about the results on Sportscenter. Cool.


I'm about to re-watch now. See this with a sober mind lol

[smoogy]

TTT these fights are still considered spoiler-protected for the rest of today:

Hill vs. Buchholz
McCully vs. Gonzaga

[Dimson]

Originally Posted by Dork8503

I don't believe it was a upset, people just want to think Forrest is shit because he was on TUF

I agree 1000%. Everyone thinks anyone who was ever on TUF is garbage. When in actually TUF saved the UFC and MMA as we know it. Without the Griffin/Bonnar fight MMA would not be what it is today.

[chungt79]

I bet they are going to match up Forrest-Chuck, which will be a total bullshit but what would you expect from Dana? i know it isn't finalized but imagine how much money that would make. Two of the most popular fighters in UFC. Once Chuck wins the fight, it will justify Rampage-Chuck III.

In any case, I will come out and say Forrest won because Rampage took him lightly. In fact, i will even say that's why Forrest won against Shogun. I may get flamed but whatever. Granted bth fighters were out of shape but I think that is because they took Forrest lightly. But then, how can you blame these guys? Forrest doesn't have any dominating aspect of his fighting. Its kinda like GSP-Serra. GSP took him lightly and got whooped. Second time around, GSP destroyed Serra. I think same thing will happen to Forrest. He is not going to win against any more top tier fighters because they will not overlook him any longer.