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07-04-2008, 12:11 AM
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Whether you think Penn deserves it or not, this would be the 3rd time he has had a WW title shot with no prior wins at WW due to the fact that there isn't a solid number one contender. Infact his only win at WW was when he beat Hughes the first time for the title.
I am not going to shit on your opinion because it is thought out and original... but based on what has happened in the past and what consistently happens in these situations; this would be Penn's most deserved WW title shot yet.
It's not too much different then Couture getting an immediate title shot against Sylvia.
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It may be Penn's most deserving shot but it doesn't necessarily equate to him deserving any.
I know people get immediate title shots and its based more than who was the most deserving. There are so many variables that play into it. However, if those variables were not factors and it was just based on who deserved it....then Penn isn't that person.
I guess we could definitely keep trying to make valid arguments but I guess it's a matter how much weight we put into each other's points. I respect your opinion and I guess we can just end it at that.
Oh by the way, BJ also beat Ludwig as a ww
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07-04-2008, 12:12 AM
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Here's the thing. Anderson Silva dominated the whole MW division. I can see him changing weights and challenging new opponents, only because of lack of competition.
Now BJ, beat Joe for the title, and beat Sherk. Now, he still has plenty of fights at LW. Its not the same scenerio as Anderson, so IMO he should stay there until it proves pointless. I agree, GSP and Penn is a match I want and most people want. I just dont see how it's the ONLY fight that makes sense. I think this one needs to wait.
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07-04-2008, 12:18 AM
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I agree. Penn had his chance anyways and GSP beat him. There's alot of competition in the welterweight division, so Penn should stick to the lightweight division. For now, anyways.
I hear that Diego Sanchez is fighting Thiago Alves coming up, so I say the winner of that gets a shot. Preferably, Diego.
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07-04-2008, 12:53 AM
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I really don't see the point in arguing whether Penn deserves a shot. Boxing has been like that for decades. Sugar Ray Leonard won a several titles in different weight classes, outside of Welterweight did he do anything to deserve shots against the champs above that weight? No, of course not but he's popular, brings in the gate and makes his opponent more money.
And it's not like Penn is constantly coming out of retirement like Leonard to get his shot. He's the current LW champ. Also it's not like the UFC has a long standing tradition when it comes to granting title shots. There is no standard to hold them to. Penn the champ wants to fight GSP/Fitch, another champ then let it happen. Alvez and Sanchez will simply have to wait, the superstar treatment has existed for years in combat sports (and sports in general) and always will. The other WW will have to weight their turn but in the mean time they have to keep winning to stay in contention. You can be Jon Fitch, keep winning and get your shot or you can be Karo and just keep missing out on a title shot by badly timed loses.
Win and your on the Joe Silva speed dail.
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07-04-2008, 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Oats420
I agree. Penn had his chance anyways and GSP beat him. There's alot of competition in the welterweight division, so Penn should stick to the lightweight division. For now, anyways.
I hear that Diego Sanchez is fighting Thiago Alves coming up, so I say the winner of that gets a shot. Preferably, Diego.
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A lot of people think Penn won that fight, so i dont know what that has to do with anything. Also, both fighters are on a different level at this point in their careers, and I think it would stupid to not let them go at it again. If Alves beats Diego, he can face the winner of Penn/GSP, that is if he can make weight this time.
Also, Diego shouldnt get a shot at the title if he beats Alves. They should put him against either Fitch or Kos before that happens, IMO.
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07-04-2008, 01:07 AM
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A lot of people think Penn won that fight, so i dont know what that has to do with anything. Also, both fighters are on a different level at this point in their careers, and I think it would stupid to not let them go at it again.
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I'm all for a rematch, but at this point and time... it doesn't make sense. They are both the champions at their our respective weights, and if either one drops or rises to fight and wins, then would they get both belts? I don't know how this could work. But like I said, I wouldn't mind a rematch. It would be an outstanding battle I could imagine.
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Also, Diego shouldnt get a shot at the title if he beats Alves. They should put him against either Fitch or Kos before that happens, IMO.
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Maybe Koscheck... if he wins his next fight. Then pit those two afterwards... hmmm... could work.
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