Mac's top 10 overrated fighters

[ILJO]

Mac I am a little confused by the topic at hand

you said that the list is about who is over rated (meaning rated or ranked too high) but then go on to say that the list isnt just about whos over rated but who gets too much exposure.... so while these two are related I think you kind of combined two different lists

Phil Baroni isnt over rated at all. Everyone knows hes not that good, but he does get a lot of exposure. Same for Kimbo

Nick Diaz isnt on anyones top ten list (I think) and he could beat many people on the top ten list so I dont believe he is over rated either

[Bullock]

Originally Posted by neonatural45

wow you have balls my friend, good Idea though.


My list

10. Horodecki
9. Rich Franklin
8. Frank Mir
7. Tito Ortiz 4 life
6. Forrest Griffen
5. Marcus Aurelio
4. Robbie Lawler
3. Clay Guida
2. Marcus Davis.... still for some reason
1. Huerta

Why do you hate Franklin so much, lol.


He is not overrated. If anything he is underrated. very time he fights people say he is going to get his ass kicked.

"The Crow will expose him."
"Okami will expose him."
"Lutter will submit him."


I swear, guy has only lost to two of the top guys in the sport and he is overated.

I hate to tell you, but Franklin beats almost everyone at 185 besides Silva w/ Henderson being his only real challenge.

It'll just be nice when Franklin gets the credit he deserves.

[bigsmooth696969]

Originally Posted by Mac

I never said Fedor was overrated but as far as Tim and Ortiz go, neither one is champ.

In my original post I said it doesn't have everything to do with where they are ranked, that some depended on the attention they get. Case in point, Tito hasn't done anything really since losing to Couture in 04 but yet he's always getting talked about like he's great, he's not.

Tim Sylvia hasn't really done anything since being busted for steroids, he had one good KO over Arlovski, that's it, a bunch of dec or wins against cans. he isn't a very good fighter, he's just bigger than everybody, he's the Shaq of MMA, no real skill, just size.

I was using those fighters as an example. People seem to use them alot in the over rated department. Sylvia hasn't done anything since getting busted for roids??? He just won the HW title, I guess thats nothing. Monson is a can? Vera is a can? Big Nog is a can? He was whooping Nog until that armbar. How is that over rated? He popped AA twice. Now onto Tito. He has beaten Shamrock, Belfort, Cote, Evan Tanner and Wandy Silva. Those are quality fighters. People get old and skill deminishes. That doesn't mean they are over rated.....its call getting old.

[willpunisher]

Originally Posted by thecoylewis

Dude you can't be afraid to speak your mind because you're afraid of getting neg'd. Fuck what anyone thinks. Speak your mind. Just do it in an educated fashion, use proper grammar, puncutation and complete sentences. Don't get personal with people like name calling and the like. Everyone has the freedom to express their opinion on here. If they don't like it, then fuck em. Stand up for yourself. You're always going to have the old timers out there who will call you a noob or whatever and push you around because they can, but there are also plenty of ol' timers on here that make it worth coming back. Fuck everyone else. The point is, speak your mind. If they neg you, they neg you. At the end of the day, it's the internet.

alright than here we go lol

no particular order and all my opinion!
Tyson Griffin - rogan is a kickass saying everyone in the division is scared once joe silva silva says he got a fight but when they mention Tyson they back out.
Okami - no he cannot beat or stop anderson,
Kimbo - he has only fought shitty fighters and early stoppage against thompson
Randy - too hyped, KO'ed 2x by chuck, no he cannot beat Fedor and no he would not stop Nog.
Chuck - i think he is a lucky puncher, he was blessed with a heavy hand. lucky him.
Florian
Hughes - no stand up, takes it to the ground and lays on top.
Franklin - lucky guy in the easiest division. NOOOTTT. got beat to a pulp twice by anderson.
Tim Sylvia - boring, just walks around and jabs hoping something will catch you.
Rampage - No he is not the best LHW in the world, he got KO'ed 2x by Wand BAD and KO'ed BAD again against Shogun. dont matter if you fight either of them again, he'll still lose and by knees again.
Joe Stevenson

[drop toe hold]

^^^ disagree with florian, he hsa improved so much, he looked great in his last fight with luazon, i think he will crush huerta

chuck-lucky puncher, beating wandy and many other top guys in the world, lucky puncher? i think that is just plain stupid

[Ubermensch]

Originally Posted by bigsmooth696969

I was using those fighters as an example. People seem to use them alot in the over rated department. Sylvia hasn't done anything since getting busted for roids??? He just won the HW title, I guess thats nothing. Monson is a can? Vera is a can? Big Nog is a can? He was whooping Nog until that armbar. How is that over rated? He popped AA twice. Now onto Tito. He has beaten Shamrock, Belfort, Cote, Evan Tanner and Wandy Silva. Those are quality fighters. People get old and skill deminishes. That doesn't mean they are over rated.....its call getting old.

Not gonna argue with you because I actually agree with your sentiment but not some of your reasoning. Reason 1: Big Nog is always getting his ass kicked then he wins. So I really don't count that at all. He lost to Frank he beat an aging Ken, and a green Wand. Other than that I'll agree they are not overrated they have both been top tier in their careers.

I am just waiting for people in five years to say how Anderson etc etc wasn't that great and the game has evolved. The same bullshit they always say be cause they want to bandwaggon on the latest and greatest.

no particular order and all my opinion!
Tyson Griffin - rogan is a kickass saying everyone in the division is scared once joe silva silva says he got a fight but when they mention Tyson they back out.
Okami - no he cannot beat or stop anderson,
Kimbo - he has only fought shitty fighters and early stoppage against thompson
Randy - too hyped, KO'ed 2x by chuck, no he cannot beat Fedor and no he would not stop Nog.
Chuck - i think he is a lucky puncher, he was blessed with a heavy hand. lucky him.
Florian
Hughes - no stand up, takes it to the ground and lays on top.
Franklin - lucky guy in the easiest division. NOOOTTT. got beat to a pulp twice by anderson.
Tim Sylvia - boring, just walks around and jabs hoping something will catch you.
Rampage - No he is not the best LHW in the world, he got KO'ed 2x by Wand BAD and KO'ed BAD again against Shogun. dont matter if you fight either of them again, he'll still lose and by knees again.
Joe Stevenson

willpusher: Not gonna jump on you too bad glad you voiced your opinion. BUT.... Matt Hughes was never over rated the guy tore the WW division until he met Penn then he did again for a few more years. He is aging he didn't just lay and prey just ground and pound. He was a methodical and well skilled fighte... And I hated him almost his entire career.

Tim Silvia: Borring yes over ratted NO he held that belt long and twice.

Randy: Has only fought top comp so his record cant be held against him much like Penn.

Joe Stevenson: Everyone knows he is a top level tweener how is that over rated? Are you saying he just plain sucks?

Franklin: He got beat by the Blackhouse Boys big deal they beat up everybody!!

[Mac]

Originally Posted by ILJO

Mac I am a little confused by the topic at hand

you said that the list is about who is over rated (meaning rated or ranked too high) but then go on to say that the list isnt just about whos over rated but who gets too much exposure.... so while these two are related I think you kind of combined two different lists

Phil Baroni isnt over rated at all. Everyone knows hes not that good, but he does get a lot of exposure. Same for Kimbo

Nick Diaz isnt on anyones top ten list (I think) and he could beat many people on the top ten list so I dont believe he is over rated either

That's why I said in my original post that it wasn't all about rankings and that I was including fighters who get a lot of attention.

@Bigsmooth, Monson and Vera could and should both fight at 205 and I said he had one nice KO of Arlovski but the other win was one of the most retarded use your size to keep jabbing until it's over boring ass fights of all time. And by the way Nog beat Tim. No, the cans I was referring to were Tellegman, Assuerio Silva and Mike Block. Once again Tim is just bigger than most everyone he fights, not better.

As for Tito, you proved my point, over the hill Ken Shamrock is all he's done since 04, Wandy was before that and just starting out, Cote and Tanner are 185ers and Vitor and Forrest were both split decisions that could have gone the other way.

[neonatural45]

Originally Posted by dbader08

this is a shitty list.

how can aurelio even be on an "over-rated" list? he beat the #1 ranked LW in the world and still alot of people don't even know who the guy is

and you have Guida on the list, who should have won the decesion against griffin, who gets way more hype than guida...griffin should be on the list, not clay.

Ok, then post your own list instead of calling mine shitty.... especially when your evidence of my post being shitty would be disagreeing with only TWO people on there, and backing that up with one sentence arguments.

Auerlio- One dimensional as fuck, bad standup, bad takedowns, and guess what? Most of his losses have come on the ground. Anyone with good GnP beats him on the ground, he lost to Dokojonsuke Mishima, and the only way he wins his fights is by being on top on the ground (which is awesome.... if he could take people down). Not a top 20 lightweight

Clay Guida- Has no striking at all and he doesn't finish fights. All the good guys he has fought have beaten him but people call him a top 20 lightweight, his best win would be over Thompson years ago. I agree that he beat Tyson, but Tyson is also overrated (just not enough to make my list). At least Tyson has beaten good people since fighting Clay.

Originally Posted by Dork8503

Dude if you were a noob i would neg you for putting Franklin on there lol. You hurt my feelings, almost made me cry.

Before Anderson i will even say it, Rich was over rated. But how can anyone say he is over rated right now. You can't really because no one has him top 3, and guys like Kang have showed they are over rated imo, and even Filho he is struggling with lesser comp.

Rich isn't over rated, he is easily top 5. I believe he would beat Filho. But Hendo would be a dream fight imo and a good chance Rich would lose, but imo it would judge him even more because I feel Hendo is number 2 at MW and people have Filho at 3, so if Rich wants top 3 he has to beat Hendo or Filho.

I mean the guy beat Okami, given it wasn't the greatest performance by Rich but he still beat him. And he has only lost to Anderson and Lyoto.

Of course Rich isn't as overrated as he used to be (people used to have him top 3 P4P) but he is still overrated to me. He looked bad in his last fight IMO, and tons of people have him top 3 middleweight in their rankings.

I still think that Kang would batter Rich on the feet if they fought, and Filho would take him down and sub him. I still think that Denis Kang has potential to be the best middleweight in the world, he is just inconsistent. Filho is a beast and I don't see how Chael Sonnen is considered "lesser competition" as he was just coming off of a win over Amar Sueloev.

Originally Posted by Bullock

Why do you hate Franklin so much, lol.


He is not overrated. If anything he is underrated. very time he fights people say he is going to get his ass kicked.

"The Crow will expose him."
"Okami will expose him."
"Lutter will submit him."


I swear, guy has only lost to two of the top guys in the sport and he is overated.

I hate to tell you, but Franklin beats almost everyone at 185 besides Silva w/ Henderson being his only real challenge.

It'll just be nice when Franklin gets the credit he deserves.

I wasn't around here then, but did people really think that Louiseau would beat him? The Crow used to be one of the most overrated fighters, he has fought exactly the same before and after his fight with Rich IMO, he was never that good. He had losses to Horn and Rivera before Rich, and the only reason he got that title shot was becuase he cut Tanner.

I predicted Franklin to beat Okami by knockout personally, but that doesn't change the fact that neither fighter looked good in that fight.

If Lutter would run on a fucking treadmill before before his fights I think he would have a decent shot at subbing Rich, he showed that in their fight for sure.

Originally Posted by Paytheplayer

Add the fact that Rich ran through the UFC's whole middleweight division. I know people will say "look who he fought" but it isnt his fault the MW division isnt as stacked as LHW's.

Well lucky for us that UFC signed Silva, becuase Leben was one win away from a title shot.

Rich beat Tanner x2, Edwin Dewees, David Louiseau, Nate Quarry, and Ken Shamrock before fighting Silva. I don't care if he ran through them, it is not that impressive.

[Paytheplayer]

Originally Posted by willpunisher

alright than here we go lol

no particular order and all my opinion!
Tyson Griffin - rogan is a kickass saying everyone in the division is scared once joe silva silva says he got a fight but when they mention Tyson they back out.
Okami - no he cannot beat or stop anderson,
Kimbo - he has only fought shitty fighters and early stoppage against thompson
Randy - too hyped, KO'ed 2x by chuck, no he cannot beat Fedor and no he would not stop Nog.
Chuck - i think he is a lucky puncher, he was blessed with a heavy hand. lucky him.
Florian
Hughes - no stand up, takes it to the ground and lays on top.
Franklin - lucky guy in the easiest division. NOOOTTT. got beat to a pulp twice by anderson.
Tim Sylvia - boring, just walks around and jabs hoping something will catch you.
Rampage - No he is not the best LHW in the world, he got KO'ed 2x by Wand BAD and KO'ed BAD again against Shogun. dont matter if you fight either of them again, he'll still lose and by knees again.
Joe Stevenson

No flaming, no negs, just questions.

How can you have 6 either present, or former UFC champions on the list?
Franklin ate everybody in the MW division, regardless if it wasn't great. It's not his fault the competition isn't close to him. Doesn't that make him the best? (Pre-Silva)
I dont even like Hughes, but he was still a great champion. He demolished the WW division for years. To say he just lays on top is far from the truth. He has 42 career victories, and only 9 were decisions.
Plus Florian, his only loss at LW was to Sherk. Other than that he finished every guy the UFC put in front of him.

[hunterkiller]

Originally Posted by willpunisher

alright than here we go lol

no particular order and all my opinion!
Tyson Griffin - rogan is a kickass saying everyone in the division is scared once joe silva silva says he got a fight but when they mention Tyson they back out.
Okami - no he cannot beat or stop anderson,
Kimbo - he has only fought shitty fighters and early stoppage against thompson
Randy - too hyped, KO'ed 2x by chuck, no he cannot beat Fedor and no he would not stop Nog.
Chuck - i think he is a lucky puncher, he was blessed with a heavy hand. lucky him.
Florian
Hughes - no stand up, takes it to the ground and lays on top.
Franklin - lucky guy in the easiest division. NOOOTTT. got beat to a pulp twice by anderson.
Tim Sylvia - boring, just walks around and jabs hoping something will catch you.
Rampage - No he is not the best LHW in the world, he got KO'ed 2x by Wand BAD and KO'ed BAD again against Shogun. dont matter if you fight either of them again, he'll still lose and by knees again.
Joe Stevenson

There you go. You spoke your mind. I may disagree with you on most of your list but the point is, you spoke your mind.

I had more a problem with the lack of punctuation and complete sentences than you compiling your list. Good effort though.