Mac's top 10 overrated fighters

[drop toe hold]

the gsp nutthugging just gets a little old to me sometimes, not saying you are doing that but sometimes these forums get flooded with the gsp love, i mean he is one of the greatest in world but sometimes the man crushes are crazy

[bigsmooth696969]

I just have one comment to make. How can anyone who has ever been a champion in the UFC/Pride be over rated? There is no such thing as a fluke KO or any other crap like that in a title fight. Serra, to me, caught GSP square and finished him off. If you have the UFC/Pride belt, you obviously beat a world class fighter to get it. Now, as time wears on and the fighter gets older and his skills diminish, I could see an arguement for it but come on, they beat the best to become UFC/Pride champ. Give them the respect they earned. My examples of this are:

Tito Ortiz
Tim Sylvia
Fedor (just because he hasn't fought a big name in a while)

They are world class fighters who beat the best to get their titles! IMO, no champ is over rated.

[Mac]

Originally Posted by bigsmooth696969

I just have one comment to make. How can anyone who has ever been a champion in the UFC/Pride be over rated? There is no such thing as a fluke KO or any other crap like that in a title fight. Serra, to me, caught GSP square and finished him off. If you have the UFC/Pride belt, you obviously beat a world class fighter to get it. Now, as time wears on and the fighter gets older and his skills diminish, I could see an arguement for it but come on, they beat the best to become UFC/Pride champ. Give them the respect they earned. My examples of this are:

Tito Ortiz
Tim Sylvia
Fedor (just because he hasn't fought a big name in a while)

They are world class fighters who beat the best to get their titles! IMO, no champ is over rated.

I never said Fedor was overrated but as far as Tim and Ortiz go, neither one is champ.

In my original post I said it doesn't have everything to do with where they are ranked, that some depended on the attention they get. Case in point, Tito hasn't done anything really since losing to Couture in 04 but yet he's always getting talked about like he's great, he's not.

Tim Sylvia hasn't really done anything since being busted for steroids, he had one good KO over Arlovski, that's it, a bunch of dec or wins against cans. he isn't a very good fighter, he's just bigger than everybody, he's the Shaq of MMA, no real skill, just size.

[Ifightforaliving]

I'll just say Couture is not on that list. And Serra he fucking hung with BJ Penn and BEAT the shit out of GSP. No fluke he hit him and then landed about 20 more and just fucking destroyed him.

[Paytheplayer]

Originally Posted by Mac

I never said Fedor was overrated but as far as Tim and Ortiz go, neither one is champ.

In my original post I said it doesn't have everything to do with where they are ranked, that some depended on the attention they get. Case in point, Tito hasn't done anything really since losing to Couture in 04 but yet he's always getting talked about like he's great, he's not.

Tim Sylvia hasn't really done anything since being busted for steroids, he had one good KO over Arlovski, that's it, a bunch of dec or wins against cans. he isn't a very good fighter, he's just bigger than everybody, he's the Shaq of MMA, no real skill, just size.

True, and Im a Tito fan unfortunately. I also like Randy, but no way in hell is the only fight that makes sense for him Fedor. Maybe if he's trying to end his life, then it totally makes sense. But he's basically saying Nog isnt worth his time, I dont think Gonzaga was really ever a top 10. Yes he was rated, but not really.

[Dork8503]

Originally Posted by neonatural45

wow you have balls my friend, good Idea though.


My list

10. Horodecki
9. Rich Franklin
8. Frank Mir
7. Tito Ortiz 4 life
6. Forrest Griffen
5. Marcus Aurelio
4. Robbie Lawler
3. Clay Guida
2. Marcus Davis.... still for some reason
1. Huerta

Dude if you were a noob i would neg you for putting Franklin on there lol. You hurt my feelings, almost made me cry.

Before Anderson i will even say it, Rich was over rated. But how can anyone say he is over rated right now. You can't really because no one has him top 3, and guys like Kang have showed they are over rated imo, and even Filho he is struggling with lesser comp.

Rich isn't over rated, he is easily top 5. I believe he would beat Filho. But Hendo would be a dream fight imo and a good chance Rich would lose, but imo it would judge him even more because I feel Hendo is number 2 at MW and people have Filho at 3, so if Rich wants top 3 he has to beat Hendo or Filho.

I mean the guy beat Okami, given it wasn't the greatest performance by Rich but he still beat him. And he has only lost to Anderson and Lyoto.

[lifefighter]

it was a big fluke sierra got lucky big time second fight show it was a fluke shoine carter almost beat him on the tuf show again lolol

[Paytheplayer]

Originally Posted by Dork8503

Dude if you were a noob i would neg you for putting Franklin on there lol. You hurt my feelings, almost made me cry.

Before Anderson i will even say it, Rich was over rated. But how can anyone say he is over rated right now. You can't really because no one has him top 3, and guys like Kang have showed they are over rated imo, and even Filho he is struggling with lesser comp.

Rich isn't over rated, he is easily top 5. I believe he would beat Filho. But Hendo would be a dream fight imo and a good chance Rich would lose, but imo it would judge him even more because I feel Hendo is number 2 at MW and people have Filho at 3, so if Rich wants top 3 he has to beat Hendo or Filho.

I mean the guy beat Okami, given it wasn't the greatest performance by Rich but he still beat him. And he has only lost to Anderson and Lyoto.

Add the fact that Rich ran through the UFC's whole middleweight division. I know people will say "look who he fought" but it isnt his fault the MW division isnt as stacked as LHW's.

[hunterkiller]

My list isn't a knock on the fighters themselves or their talents. It's more a knock on their bandwagon riders who blow these guys up like they've been here for years and beat a who's who in MMA. It's not really about them being bad fighters, it's more the people that put them on a pedestal that doesn't match their accomplishments.

1. Serra 6-5 UFC record, highly mediocre fighter that got a break on a reality show. How many TUF 4 guys are left. Clementi, IMO is the best guy left from TUF 4
2. Thiago Silva - Once he takes a step up in competition, he gets exposed. Mendes was handling him for the better part of that fight and that shit won't fly against the better LHW fighters.
3. Koscheck - I just can't see how grinding out a decision and being happy just winning makes you climb the ladder. He's proud that he laid all over Sanchez just to get the win.
4. Okami - Yes he deserves his title shot because he's 6-1 but name one worthy opponent that he's beat to get to where he is.
5. Brandon Vera - Beat the likes of Eilers, and a post motorcyle crash Mir and is the next big thing and as soon as he takes the next step, he loses 2 straight.
6. Stephan Bonnar - Still riding high off his loss to Forrest. Should have never made it past Southworth on the TUF show.
7. KJ Noons - Benefits from a lack of competition in EliteXC. His win over Nick Diaz is legit but so was his destruction by Charles Bennett.
8. Sokodjou - I'm a fan of the guy but his wins over Arona and Lil Nog were followed by his destruction at the hands of Machida. I'd like to see him get some solid wins in the UFC before he calls out the top of the food chain. This point was argued the other day but I didn't change my mind so don't bother starting it again.
9. Joe Stevenson - Just think he's way overhyped for who he's beaten. He's a top 10 guy in the UFC LW division but he's far from a champ.
10. Kimbo - enough said

[Storm442]

Originally Posted by Mac

I've got a top 10 of my own, overrated fighters. Now this isn't necessarilly all about where they are ranked but also the amount of exposure they get. Without further ado.

10. Thiago Silva ( good record, but against who? We will see after Wandy fight)
9. Nick Diaz (working out a deal to use his face instead of little white glove on Hamburger helper boxes)
8. Robbie Lawler (shot up the ranks for becoming Elite MW champ)
7. Tim Sylvia (really hasn't been the devastating striker he was before that positive test?)
6. Dennis Kang (was said that he would wreak havoc on the MW division because of hugely padded record)
5. Matt Serra (TUF catapulted largely marginal fighter to fame, fluke KO of GSP made him world champ, utter domination in second fight showed the truth)
4. Randy Couture (16-8 record doesn't seem like proof that the only thing left for you to prove is to fight Fedor)
3. Phil Baroni (.500 fighter who seems to get more airtime than most champs?)
2. Tito Ortiz (great self promoter who has proven very little in the octagon over past couple of years)
1. Kimbo Slice (Duh!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

OK, go ahead and flame, I am sure some people may have intelligent replies or even their own additions.

I like 1-5, good names!
6-10 gets sketchy.