Contract Dispute Question...

[bega]

Originally Posted by chungt79

Well, i guess this becomes an issue now because UFC has competition. Whereas, it was pretty much monopoly before. What you stated are facts, I do not disagree. What I am saying is that it isn't right, and i hope Affliction gains serious momentum so fighters will have choices and UFC will be forced to make some reasonable changes to their contracts.

I agree. Having competition is good for fighters and fans. What I don't want to see ( however unlikely it is ) is that Affliction gets so much momentum so they become dominant org like UFC is now. As long as we have 2 equal orgs that is a good thing.

[chungt79]

Originally Posted by bega

Forgot to add - when you got a job at your company where you work you have negotiated terms. Next guys that comes also has to negotiate his terms and company can use your contract as guideline but at the same time they have to take into account market situation ( supply/demand ) as well as negotiating skills of the person. Every company has a goal - to make as much money and one way is to pay employees as little as they can ( without having a riot on their hands )

That doesn't apply here because the contract itself doesn't get renewed automatically and the employees have the freedom go elsewhere once the contract expires. The point of my argument is that that part of contract is very unfair to the fighter. i am not arguing that isn't what the contract says or that the fighter signed it. I am arguing that is unfair for the fighter and if fighter is given the choice, he may leave because of that clause. Why else would any reasonable person leave the biggest organization if not for the money?

[Ubermensch]

Well if the Rumor about their new contracts giving them rights to your likeness are true. Anyone with a brain will not sign that contract and will be moving on to other pastures. Not saying that rumor is true though because it would be the dumbest thing the UFC could do.

[Killinginthenameof]

Originally Posted by chungt79

That doesn't apply here because the contract itself doesn't get renewed automatically and the employees have the freedom go elsewhere once the contract expires. The point of my argument is that that part of contract is very unfair to the fighter. i am not arguing that isn't what the contract says or that the fighter signed it. I am arguing that is unfair for the fighter and if fighter is given the choice, he may leave because of that clause. Why else would any reasonable person leave the biggest organization if not for the money?

the fighters can leave after that period and that'll hurt the UFC, but what they need to keep is the talented people behind the scene....and who knows if any of dana's underlings have left for the competition yet.....when you start hearing stories of that then you'll know the UFC is crumbling down. But that's competition and that's the reason come July 19th the UFC will have a free show to try to keep their hardcore viewers in place. showcasing the fighters and us buying the ppv's puts cash in dana's pocket and dana doesn't want that to change...he wants the UFC to get bigger.

GSP is gonna do what GSP wants to do. if he see's more cash at the other end of the rainbow he's gonna take it because cash is all that he should care about. if he signs a 6 fight deal worth over 2 mill good for him, sign it and move on. he still has to fight in a cage somwhere with the same rules....his direct deposit will just come from another company.

[Esox Express]

It will be very interesting to see this whole thing play out over the course of the next few years. With rumors of GSP going to Affliction, I started thinking about what this could mean for the future of Affliction, along with the UFC, and MMA in general. I thought of three different scenarios that I could see happening realistically over the course of the next couple years

1. Affliction signs some more big names and after a while the UFC is stuck with nothing but their TUF fighters and eventually take a backseat to Affliction

2. Affliction signs a few more names, but continues to take big hits financially due to their lack of marketing and inability to have a way of drawing in the casual MMA fan. The large amounts of money they used to draw fighters out of the UFC is not being matched by their profits, and they eventually call it quits when they burn through their all of their money.

3. Affliction gains more popularity, and starts making a marginal profit after a while, but they are still unable to draw many of the top fighters from the UFC. Their talent pool will be very top-heavy, with not a lot of 2nd or 3rd tier guys, which might eventually make match making difficult. However, they are very competitive with the UFC.


I'm sure there are many other scenarios out there, but these are the ones that I personally thought of as making the most sense. While I think #3 sounds the most logical, I have a feeling that #2 is what is going to happen. I can definitely see Affliction continuing to take some huge losses.... Just my opinion though.

[lilp86]

I really doubts GSP is leaving the UFC for Affliction since #1 no one even knows if affliction is gonna be around more than 1 or 2 shows and # 2 Dana is not an idiot he knows Gsp is one of the most marketable fighters hes got and will probably throw a shit load of money at him per fight plus a sweet backend deal. Gsp would be stupid to leave the org that has basically every top 10 fighter in his division to go to an org with no fighters in his division it would be the Fedor fiasco all over again

[Ubermensch]

Originally Posted by Esox Express

3. Affliction gains more popularity, and starts making a marginal profit after a while, but they are still unable to draw many of the top fighters from the UFC. Their talent pool will be very top-heavy, with not a lot of 2nd or 3rd tier guys, which might eventually make match making difficult. However, they are very competitive with the UFC.

With guys like Arona, Overeem, Melendez, Gomi And Shields out there who said they have to get top tier guys from the UFC? There are enough out there to make them competitive. IMO.

[KnowledgeKnown]

I would be in complete shock if GSP left the UFC anytime soon. It is my perception that he indeed wants to be the best p4p AND a superstar. The UFC is the only organization that this is possible right now.

Perhaps in the future, but for now, GSP is a very big part of the UFC, and the UFC is a very big part of his aspirations.

[sandywh]

We'll know GSP is serious about wanting out of the UFC once we start seeing threads like....

Where is GSP?
Why Is GSP Not Fighting On This PPV?
Is There No More Competition For GSP?

If GSP wants out, he'll be buried. and knowing Dana's history, he'll be fed cans in order to keep him in the title for a while, but he'll be forced to fight human blankets in order to drive GSP's value way down.

I doubt GSP goes anywhere. Even if UFC management has to work endorsement deals better than Afflictions for GSP then that's what they'll do. They will not let go of GSP.

[Esox Express]

Originally Posted by Ubermensch

With guys like Arona, Overeem, Melendez, Gomi And Shields out there who said they have to get top tier guys from the UFC? There are enough out there to make them competitive. IMO.

Oh yeah I totally agree, but I meant that in the process of getting the top guys, they could be taking many of them out of the UFC. Obviously they could potentially get all of the talent you mentioned above and compete with the UFC, but I was trying to say that by taking some of the UFC's top fighters away from them, it would be doing a lot more damage to the UFC.