Freddie Roach to corner Arlovski @ Affliction

[TheDirtySis]

Originally Posted by big_juge

I don't care if Arlovski is training with Roger Mayweather, still wont help his chin.

So because someone got KO'd by:

Tim Syvia- most of his wins by KO/TKO
Pedro Rizzo- most of his wins by KO/TKO
and Ricco Rodriguez who made Randy Tap out due to strikes and beat Jeff Monson and Pete Williams by either KO/TKO that means he has a glass jaw?

And the only one of those KO/TKO that has happened since 2002 is the Tim fight.

Just because someone gets put to sleep from a guy who is 6 foot 8 and is 265lbs does not mean he has a weak chin.

By the way how are you still even posting here? You say the stupidest shit just to ruffle feathers. Well this aint Sherdog so we weed out people like you.

You should go be with your own kind.......sign up here

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Oh yeah and to let you know Freddie Roach>Roger Mayweather as a cornerman.

Roger just mumbles like a crackhead between rounds.

[big_juge]

yea your right guy, Arlovski gets KOed but that doesn't make it his fault, why do you think he's working on his standup???? Possibly his defense isn;t very good, hey great Andrei, you've been KOed multiple times and haven;t defeated anyone worth to get excited for, great job.

BTW, Roach has Pacquaio, who's an awsome fighter, but head to head the Crack Head defeated Roach and De La Hoya.

[Prowrestler]

I hope he's just his boxing coach...u kno for the boxing part of MMA...

[TheDirtySis]

Originally Posted by big_juge

BTW, Roach has Pacquaio, who's an awsome fighter, but head to head the Crack Head defeated Roach and De La Hoya.

Well actually Floyd beat them. Floyd is the best boxer in the world. I could train him for his fights and he would probably never lose.

And by your estimation a guy like Rampage has a glass jaw because Wandy KO him with knees. And Cro Cop obviosly has a weak chin for getting KO by GG and Randleman.

You have to realize that these are fucking HUGE people. Any 1 strike can put you down. If you said he needed to defend those strikes better than I would agree. But getting KO by Tim syvia and Pedro Rizzo does not qualify a weak chin.

[Salvy_Mic]

Well, let's see, Roach is known for training his fighters (with the notable exception of James Toney) to be aggressive, high energy, high punch output guys with sound fundamentals, good body punching, and emphasizes a strong jab. Sounds to me a guy like Roach is exactly what's needed for such a tentative guy like Arlovski. You would be surprised the absolute wonders a good jab will do for anyone in a combat sport. The only knock on Roach is that his fighters (again, with the exception of Toney) aren't exactly the best defensive guys around. You want impenetrable defense, you train with the Mayweathers. You want to put yourself in the best positions to outwork, outhustle, and knock out your guy, you go to Roach.

It's good to see that Roach has an open mind about MMA though. Considering he's a trainer who has boxing ingrained into him, you'd think he'd completely shun anything to do with MMA.

Tips for Arlovski for domination: Double jab, right cross, right leg kick, and finish with the left hook before moving to the side, to his right if he's fighting an orthodox fighter, to the left if he's fighting a southpaw. Mix the order of the cross and the leg kick to keep opponent off balance. And most importantly, keep your hands up!

[big_juge]

Originally Posted by TheDirtySis

Well actually Floyd beat them. Floyd is the best boxer in the world. I could train him for his fights and he would probably never lose.

And by your estimation a guy like Rampage has a glass jaw because Wandy KO him with knees. And Cro Cop obviosly has a weak chin for getting KO by GG and Randleman.

You have to realize that these are fucking HUGE people. Any 1 strike can put you down. If you said he needed to defend those strikes better than I would agree. But getting KO by Tim syvia and Pedro Rizzo does not qualify a weak chin.

Rampage has a great chin, he's one of my favorites behind Fedor, It took 10 knees before he got put out, but Arlovski gets dropped by one punch sorry. Cro Cop doesn't have much of a defense either and is pretty chiny.

I have to disagree on Roger, he's been training Floyd his whole life and knows a thing or two about boxing, he predicted between rds that Zab Judah would fold up. We all saw what happened in the 10th RD of that fight, you need a strong trainer to be a great fighter, someone who can break down your opponent as well. Look how much Juanito has turned Rampage's career around?

[big_juge]

Originally Posted by Salvy_Mic

Well, let's see, Roach is known for training his fighters (with the notable exception of James Toney) to be aggressive, high energy, high punch output guys with sound fundamentals, good body punching, and emphasizes a strong jab. Sounds to me a guy like Roach is exactly what's needed for such a tentative guy like Arlovski. You would be surprised the absolute wonders a good jab will do for anyone in a combat sport. The only knock on Roach is that his fighters (again, with the exception of Toney) aren't exactly the best defensive guys around. You want impenetrable defense, you train with the Mayweathers. You want to put yourself in the best positions to outwork, outhustle, and knock out your guy, you go to Roach.

It's good to see that Roach has an open mind about MMA though. Considering he's a trainer who has boxing ingrained into him, you'd think he'd completely shun anything to do with MMA.

Tips for Arlovski for domination: Double jab, right cross, right leg kick, and finish with the left hook before moving to the side, to his right if he's fighting an orthodox fighter, to the left if he's fighting a southpaw. Mix the order of the cross and the leg kick to keep opponent off balance. And most importantly, keep your hands up!

There's a reason Arlovski is so tenative, working with Roach may boost his confidence, but like you said he needs a defense because I can't see him taking punches, never did never will.

[Salvy_Mic]

I personally don't think Arlovski has a terribly weak chin myself, but let's face it, he's no Nog in the chin department either. He has an average chin, and often gets caught either coming forward or pulling back, which tends to make the punches more destructive otherwise. Arlovski is able to take shots from decent enough punchers, but guys with serious steel in their hands, like Rizzo and Sylvia, will and have put his lights out. Knowing his chin is the most average thing about his game, he needs to have a sound defense, and the best way for that is to simply keep his hands up and employ good movement. And believe it or not, a stiff jab is an excellent defensive move. That's why it is the single most important punch any fighter, whether it be boxing, kickboxing, or MMA, ought to know.

That's the only thing that frustrates me about MMA striking, there are very few guys who employ good jabs on a consistent basis. Anderson, BJ, GSP, and Torres are the few who are capable of dominating other guys with their jabs and at the same time manage to be compelling to watch. The jab and the leg kick are the two building blocks for sound striking.

[big_juge]

don;t forget Rampage, he has very good boxing skills along with Fedor. The Jab is the most important tool in striking, sets everything up!

Big fan of Israel Vasquez, I talk to his manager's son a lot!

[Warchief]

This will be a big help for Arlovski to improve his stand up game, esp when it comes to his head movement...for avoid hitting his chin.