yeah but there are fans like that for all fighters look at Liddell he has more nuthuggers than anyone. All i hear is Rampage by lucky punch. Everytime I go to a bar and wear my UFC hat I get into some big debate about Chuck is the best ever and he could beat anyone, or Hughes doesn't want to win,or Sherk was gonna walk all over BJ cuz GSP beat him. Its the same with all fighters. Anderson is a good example of this,suddenly Rich Franklin is a bitch. Now its Lyoto where did all these sigs and av's come from? He beats Tito and BOOM 9,000 sigs all of a sudden. He is the future,he is the best,he is unbeatable. It's like that with everyone. Only difference with BJ is that he can prove it and his losses were a little suspect especially GSP. And he did lose by injury basically to Hughes. Either way he is a great fighter and deserves respect. The guy whenn focused is the closest anyone will be to unbeatable
Pretty much the fans that believe that Penn would submit Anderson Silva easily and would even hold his own in the stand-up. When in truth, the chances of that happening are slim to none.
Anderson Silva has shown pretty average takedown defence in his fights. That may work against someone like a Travis Lutter who has next to no conditioning, but against a guy like BJ Penn, Anderson Silva would be in trouble. BJ Penn would take him down and submit him quickly. Watch what Travis Lutter did to him when he was out of shape and overweight, now imagine what an in shape and focused BJ Penn would do to him. Anderson Silva is a great fighter, but against GSP, Penn, and possibly even Hughes he'd get beat down.
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Its the same with all fighters, I think it just shows up with BJ Penn more because he has a lot more fans.
Its just the fans that blindly root for BJ Penn and are unwilling to accpet the fact that the guy could be human and that he may have to lost to GSP, Pulver, Hughes, or anyone else for that matter legitly. Pretty much the fans that believe that Penn would submit Anderson Silva easily and would even hold his own in the stand-up. When in truth, the chances of that happening are slim to none.
How do the people that like him "blindly" root for him? They like him because they are obviously educated in his accomplishments. I'm sorry, but BJ Penn is not a flavor of the month and you don't get bandwagon fans with him. He is not a fabricated name that is shoved down our throats like some other stars that I won't name.
Who is to say he wouldn't sub Anderson easy? He has subbed harder fighters to sub and it's not like Anderson has world-class jiu-jitsu like Marcelo Garcia or Shinya Aoki, he has been subbed before. You talk like you dislike him and simply say you don't because you don't want to be flamed.
No one denies his losses, but the truth is he DID seperate a rib in the Hughes fight, there's a fuckin medical records of it. He DID lose a close close close decision to GSP, who only won because of 4 takedowns. He DID lose a 5-round decision to Pulver who should of been finished at the end of the second but was saved by the bell. He DID lose a decision to Machida who he fought at heavyweight and who just made a former LHW champion, past his prime or not, look silly as hell. No one is denying these things.
What I don't get is you saying "I don't like Penn because he has so many bandwagoners and nutthuggers." Not a direct quote, but the point you were trying to make is just that. If you dislike him for such a shitty reason you're just missing out on cheering for and enjoying watching fight one of the best fighters on the planet.
Just a lesson in condom mechanics. Kind of like quantum mechanics, you learn both in high school and college.
I agree...he is an awesome fighter and I love to watch him, but he definitely can be an ass. What is up with running over, drinking your opponents blood (which he had to push trainers and medical personnel out of the way to do), and then being humble after acting like a dick? It is like this little light switch goes off in his head and he says "Christ, that was a douchebag thing to do, I need to calm the fuck down."
Another example: holding the choke on Jens Pulver. There was no need for that! He destroyed him. He made his point.
This is not crazy antics it is an ancient Polynesian war tradition to drink the blood of the defeated. It is not lame it might be he still follows the ancient ways which it totally believable because he does talk about eating pork on purpose to take the pigs mana. If hie believes in the Mana it is something that will give him a psychological edge for everyone he defeats.
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Overrated? Someone repost the video of a young whitebelt BJ Penn in a Judo competition. Who else but BJ could be the only whitebelt in a tourney to repeatedly tap all these other blackbelts? That video is hilarious.
Good post. That's why I get excited to see BJ fight. My friend is sort of a newb and has'nt seen any of his earlier fights. I think I'll show him this post and then show him the fights with Uno and Gomi to show him what's up. Thanks for the post.
How do the people that like him "blindly" root for him? They like him because they are obviously educated in his accomplishments. I'm sorry, but BJ Penn is not a flavor of the month and you don't get bandwagon fans with him. He is not a fabricated name that is shoved down our throats like some other stars that I won't name.
Who is to say he wouldn't sub Anderson easy? He has subbed harder fighters to sub and it's not like Anderson has world-class jiu-jitsu like Marcelo Garcia or Shinya Aoki, he has been subbed before. You talk like you dislike him and simply say you don't because you don't want to be flamed.
No one denies his losses, but the truth is he DID seperate a rib in the Hughes fight, there's a fuckin medical records of it. He DID lose a close close close decision to GSP, who only won because of 4 takedowns. He DID lose a 5-round decision to Pulver who should of been finished at the end of the second but was saved by the bell. He DID lose a decision to Machida who he fought at heavyweight and who just made a former LHW champion, past his prime or not, look silly as hell. No one is denying these things.
What I don't get is you saying "I don't like Penn because he has so many bandwagoners and nutthuggers." Not a direct quote, but the point you were trying to make is just that. If you dislike him for such a shitty reason you're just missing out on cheering for and enjoying watching fight one of the best fighters on the planet.
Penn is an amazing fighter!! I look forward to the rematch with GSP. I really have no idea how that fight is going to go down but it should be entertaining never the less
He didn't break a rip, he tore some caratlidge(sp?) in his rips, big difference. If he broke a rip and kept fighting he could have easily died from a putting a hole in his lung. I am starting to question how severe that injury was, Penn himself admitted in the lastest countdown show that he went to a bar and drank the night of the Hughes fight. If the injury was really that bad wouldn't have he gone to the hospital? Penn to his credit has never used the injury as an excuse and gave all credit to Matt Hughes which is why I give the guy props.
This is not giving the guy props. This is raising the age-old question BJ haters raise about whether the injury played a significant role in the loss. I would have said it was beneath you, but I think BJ utterly handing Sherk his ass bothers you more than you let on.
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Its the same with all fighters, I think it just shows up with BJ Penn more because he has a lot more fans.
Its just the fans that blindly root for BJ Penn and are unwilling to accpet the fact that the guy could be human and that he may have to lost to GSP, Pulver, Hughes, or anyone else for that matter legitly. Pretty much the fans that believe that Penn would submit Anderson Silva easily and would even hold his own in the stand-up. When in truth, the chances of that happening are slim to none.
There are two sides to the coin, there are GSP fans who refuse to accept that GSP was given a gift and BJ was robbed. I debated with a guy yesterday who still feels GSP took BJ down "whenever he liked."
So blindness isn't BJ-specific.
I've always said the Hughes loss is legit. Matt ate everything BJ threw at him and outlasted him till the third, so he could capitalize on the injury. That's a legit win. Do I think Hughes would win a third fight? No. But that doesn't delegitimize the win, at all.
There are two sides to the coin, there are GSP fans who refuse to accept that GSP was given a gift and BJ was robbed. I debated with a guy yesterday who still feels GSP took BJ down "whenever he liked."
The impetus of that debate is on you. You need to come up with a great reason why the judges were wrong, not the other way around. The only way I can see giving BJ that fight is if it had happened in Pride and not the UFC, which is not a good argument at all. That is the problem with the fight for Penn advocates, BJ has to win the second or third by some sort of ethereal rational under UFC rules to justify taking either of those rounds.
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