Quick question relating to my report.

[CJRockstar]

I was going to argue the standing 8 count rule for boxing. Do any of the MMA orgs have a standing 8 count? I know pancrase used to, but I havent seen it in any recent matches. Anyone know of any? lemme know!

[atj-lucko]

Well the old Pancrase say back when Bas Rutten fought Frank Shamrock yes they had a standing 8 count but you could not throw a close fist punch.

The Old rules
Aside from the traditional grappling rules (e.g., no biting, no eye-gouging) the rules were formerly as follows:

No elbows to the head (neither while standing nor on the ground).
No closed-fist strikes to the head (neither while standing nor on the ground).
No knees to the head on the ground.
No kicks/stomps to the head on the ground.
If a participant gets too close to the ropes, he is stood back up on the feet. (as opposed to PRIDE's recentering in the middle of the ring)
Non-title matches consist of one 15 minute round; Title matches consisit of one 30 minute round.
If a participant is caught in a submission and taps out, (whether unable to reach the ropes or not) it is a loss.
Five "escapes" are given to each fighter at the start of every match. An escape can be used when caught in a submission near the ropes, in which case the participant can grab them, be stood back on the feet and have one point deducted. Once a participant has used all of his escapes, it is a loss.
For knockouts, a ten-count similar to boxing and kickboxing is used. If the participant is unable to answer the ten-count, it is declared a TKO and that fighter has lost the match. However, if the participant is able to answer the ten-count, the fight resumes and one point is deducted.
If, at the end of regulated time, neither fighter has submitted, been knocked out, or lost all their points, a decision is rendered based on who lost fewer points. If neither fighter lost any points, or both lost the same number of points, the fight is declared a draw.
In the 1994 King of Pancrase tournament, the rules were slightly different, in that the first round had one 10 minute round and three rope escapes, and the finals had one 20 minute round with three rope escapes.
For a short period of time when Bas Rutten was the King of Pancrase, heelhooks were banned because of the frequency of injuries.

As for your question I know of NO MMA orgs that has a standing 8 count.

[CJRockstar]

yea I remember watching bas rutten break that guys shin in half trying to do a heelhook he learned the day before. I guess he still won but DAYUM thats gotta hurt.

That is a common thing throughout martial arts. I would rather have a black belt whooping my ass and doing all the moves right than to have a brown belt who is trying to do something he isnt trained to do. Thats how people get hurt.

[mmasince91]

Bas was unreal to watch back in the day. Bas was def a better Pancrase fighter then an MMA fighter.