Why B.J. Penn will dominate Sean Sherk(Long but Good)

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by Masscore

Lets just put the GSP fight in perspective because everyone brings it up when talking about Sherk.

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I am still taking Sherk by decision. I do not care how "good" Penn's cardio might be. I would just look at Joe Lauzon and his fight with Florian and then question whether or not Penn is really pushing that hard in cardio. A guy he trained gassed out after a round, what does that say about the coach and his training? I think Sherk will eventually break Penn's cardio but the question is whether or not he will do it in time pull out the decision. I think he will, but I can see why people would think otherwise.

So...you're putting things into perspective...but you're overlooking the fact that Lauzon had his first fight in the mountains of Colorado, and roughly half the card gassed that night? And making the assumption that Penn training for someone whose only real advantage is cardio somehow equates to one of his pupils training for someone who has never been a cardio fiend, and then fighting them in the mountains?

I'm sorry, but I think your perspective needs to go back to the optometrist.

If it was a pure cardio event, I'd put money on Sean. But it's not, it's MMA.

I also don't think Penn's cardio is the achilles heel most detractors make it out to be...

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[stevequalude]

Originally Posted by mmasince91

I don't think anyone can really dominate Sean. He makes a fight out of every oppertunity.

I have yet to see anybody dominate Sean at 155 , so what he lost to GSP ,BJ lost to GSP 2, So what BJ went 5 rounds with Jens wow who cares .On MAY 24 We will see what will happen I see Sean Just being to much for BJ to handle. That does not mean I don't like BJ I damn sure Am not bashing him ..

[dbader08]

Originally Posted by ninjastix

I think the danger with Sherk is losing on points if he can consistently take you down... Even though Penn is a wizard on the ground...

Can anyone else point out a fight in the UFC where the guy won on points from the bottom?

They just don't give fighters that nod in the UFC. Penn will go for the finish regardless, but should he get hurt or tired you can best believe that Sherk will capitalize on points.

The point about having them stand back up if Sherk is inactive is pretty moot if Sherk can get consistent take downs on a tired Penn. That happens around mid round 3 imo.

BJ has the lighter weight and new conditioning his favor, he shouldn't look to out condition Sherk, he shouldn't look to draw out the fight... He just need to come out and put the pressure on Sherk and the entire fight is in his favor...

BJ has better striking and more dangerous submissions, if he can hurt Sherk early there's no reason he need fight off his back... He should look for an early finish and I think BJ will have it...

Rutten vs Randleman

the article is pretty accurate though in saying basically that b.j. gassing is sherk's only real chance

and i'm sure b.j. will come in in excellent shape and better than ever

see, for cardio to be an option, sherk has to survive to about the 4th round at least...i don't really see how he's going to do that

b.j. is going to beat the shit out of him on the feet, and if sherk does take b.j. down he's not really going to be able to do any damage imo...b.j. is more likely to just sweep or sub sherk then sherk is to do any considerable damage...bj by sub rd 2...rnc

[KnowledgeKnown]

This talk of Penn gassing is interesting. This has not always been the case. It was when he moved up in weight his cardio was suspect. How about this. Does anyone remember a fight at 155 that he came out of shape? Bj can't get down to 155 without working his ass of.

What's funny about this cardio theory is that it will be an excuse for Sherk advocates if Penn finishes him early. They'll say "if it went into later rounds penn was in trouble." This isn't a marathon it's an MMA fight. Who is the better all around MMA fighter? Can we take cardio into consideration? Of course, however it seems there is just too much stock put into only that.

BJ's skill set is superior to Sherks overall. I gave my prediction before, and I stand by it. But hey i'd love for this to go into later rounds so i get more for my money. But it won't.

[kc56]

Originally Posted by KnowledgeKnown

This talk of Penn gassing is interesting. This has not always been the case. It was when he moved up in weight his cardio was suspect. How about this. Does anyone remember a fight at 155 that he came out of shape? Bj can't get down to 155 without working his ass of.

What's funny about this cardio theory is that it will be an excuse for Sherk advocates if Penn finishes him early. They'll say "if it went into later rounds penn was in trouble." This isn't a marathon it's an MMA fight. Who is the better all around MMA fighter? Can we take cardio into consideration? Of course, however it seems there is just too much stock put into only that.

BJ's skill set is superior to Sherks overall. I gave my prediction before, and I stand by it. But hey i'd love for this to go into later rounds so i get more for my money. But it won't.

Penn's first fight against Pulver was at 155. Did he gas that fight? Or was he just out-pointed? I am not trying to ask a rhetorical question, in my mind he gassed, but I don't remember if that was truly the case.

I think that most people are saying that Sherk's only chance is cardio (something he is known for) and Penn's only perceived weakness is cardio, so that is the only wild card. If Penn comes in shape, he should win.

I agree with Rivethead about everyone gassing in Colorado. I don't think that too many of the fighters were prepared for that. I was pissed at Boetsch for gassing half way through the first round, but then I took into consideration that he is a part-time fighter and took the fight on short notice and was fighting a good mile up, yada yada yada...

I want Sherk to win, but think that Penn will. If Penn wins my only reasoning will be that he was better than Sherk.

[ILJO]

article summary

Penn's bjj >> Sherk's wrestling